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Black Law Students / Re: 1L's
« on: April 20, 2005, 06:18:38 PM »
thats funny hbcu, i don't have a problem with black folks from any school. i gained from the resources at the ivy league institution i graduated from. and imo i want to be able to speak for my community and have people listen. and trust, i have alot to say. there are black people who graduated from ivy league schools that have affected us as well. Dr. Dubois went to Fisk, then transferred to Harvard. Cornel West went to harvard too. i'm not about making white folks happy, i'm about forcing them to listen in whatever way possible, be it folks standing outside of the state capital building or me saying i studied this with ... at harvard for example. either way it goes, i don't think they will be happy about what i have to say...

thats funny, I don't think you even read my post. I NEVER said that you have a problem with black people. Period. I NEVER said that black people from IVY have not made contributions to the race.

You ARE about making white folks happy. It's in your quote. I'll put it up there for you again.

"i am concerned about rankings, because i recognize that it makes a difference to how white folks perceive me and listen to me."

WTF kinda sh*t if this coming out of your mouth? Is this what they teach you at the IVY school you graduated from? There is not ONE person on this board that agrees with this statement of yours. Not even One. This statement is an example of how much you hate yourself and that is ALL i'm talking about. 

Look, I think in the end, as the saying goes....there is more than one way to skin a cat.  You can go to an HBCU or you can go to IVY, as long as you are doing something positive and giving back, it does not matter.  The fight is not in where you decide to gain your knowledge, it is about gaining that knowledge and bringing it back and putting it to use for your people.  I didnt get my degrees from black institutions, but the education I received I am using in a positive way for my people as much as I can.  Whether you are a role model, a tutor, giving money, there are many ways to give back.  I think everyone is trying to get across the same point.  Lets not get caught up in semantics. 

One think I will point out Muse....You cant always think about yourself in the equation.  You said something like if helping someone was going to hurt you in reaching your ultimate goal, you wouldnt help.  But first, how do you know what is going to help you or hurt you.  And here is an example....you scored in the 99th percentile of the LSAT, right?  What if you would have scored in the 98th percentile but assisted someone else in scoring high enough to get into law school, but you couldnt have gone to the IVY of your choice, are you saying your wouldnt have helped that person?  By the same token, what if you would have dropped to the 90th percentile?  Sometimes there is a bigger picture and think about this, it is not the ultimate destination but the journey that is the important thing.

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Black Law Students / Re: 1L's
« on: April 20, 2005, 06:06:09 PM »
Shoot, I don't care what negros or crackas think   :P :-* ;D

You stupid, Cole.

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Black Law Students / Re: 1L's
« on: April 20, 2005, 06:05:22 PM »
you know u're on point with this... i remember having a layover one day on my way back to dc and i was one of the only black people sitting in the waiting area @ the time.. i was just sitting there actually..minding my own business...and this white guy was looking at me like i was crazy...

long story short.. i took my jacket off and just so happened to have on a law school sweatshirt.. at that point he decided that he was open for conversation. ::)

needless to say i gave him a piece of my mind about the fact that he deemed it necessary that a person of color had to be doing something that was "impressive" to his standards in order to be worthy of his conversation..

u know i respect all of you guys...but it did throw me off to read that some of you are concerned about white folks acceptance.... a lot of white folks are still going to view you as a N with a Harvard Law Degree (for example)... the school that you attend may get you in the door quicker.. but what you do with the knowledge that you obtain at these schools is what's impressive..

let's not live our lives trying to seek out the white man's approval..

"i am concerned about rankings, because i recognize that it makes a difference to how white folks perceive me and listen to me."

God, I would hate to live my life like this. Dr. King graduated from Morehouse College (An HBCU) with a 2.0 gpa. Thurgood Marshall Graduated from Howard Law (an HBCU) after he got reject from the University Of Maryland. These guys made if possible for ALL of you to go to the school of your choice. They didn't do it by graduating from the IVY. They didn't get the white man to listen to them by graduating from the IVY. They did it because they had conviction and they actually had something to say.

Don't make decisions about your life to make white people happy.

*Bows to you*  Look, lets be realistic, if we are going to operate in the real world we are going to have to be concerned about white people and what they think to a certain extent, white people run most things.  We have to be concerned to some extent or we will be at a disadvantage.  But with that concern must come the ability to rise above it and not let it control you, your actions and who you become. 

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Black Law Students / Re: 1L's
« on: April 20, 2005, 04:25:00 PM »
Faith, your post is very much on point. Although a degree is just a piece of paper, it does open a lot of doors in our society and get folks to listen to what you have to say. My question is how can you help someone when your own business is not on point? In my eyes, you might end up dragging the person down instead of lifting them you know?

i am not sure i understand exactly what you mean, but i do think that apart of having your business on point is giving back. you look at someone like kenneth chenault, or some of the foundations out there and their method was to become apart of the corporate world, and then fund the institutions that they agree with, even bill cosby's hbcu/temple fund was something similar to that. their gifts are different than mine, so i don't see myself doing the corporate thing as a career, but they have made philanthropy a priority in their personal lives for a reason i think. my personal opinion though is that all it takes is helping one person to change the world. just think, what if malcolm x's mentor in prison hadn't reached out to him. or his brother hadn't written to him. those men weren't necessarily "on point" in terms of their business, they were strugglin too, but them taking those few seconds to reach back changed the world. i believe that when you help other people, you can't help but be lifted. ok, i'll stop being so damn cheesy :D

AMEN, Tell it like it is, Sista!!!

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Black Law Students / Re: 1L's
« on: April 20, 2005, 03:45:32 PM »
I'm all about the "I" because "I" own you.  ::) 

Ahhhh, a comedian.  Well we will see how funny you are after your first semester of law school!!!   ;D


(Gulp) (In a soft voice) I aint skerd!  >:(

you should be, SU aint no joke....I am going to call my professor friends there to get you.

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Black Law Students / Re: 1L's
« on: April 20, 2005, 03:35:55 PM »
The examples you guys are using are extreme.

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My problem is that you have people who are selfish, keep their outlines to themselves, study techniques kept to themselves, keeping things that are helpful to themselves, but the first time anyone else has anything they are the first in line to try to get it.  

There is a difference between working smart and just being a straight jackass. I share my notes and give study techniques all the time but I don't call that giving back to the community per se nor do I expect anything in return. I'll use the Lsats for example. I scored in the 99th percentile. While I was studying I didn't really help anyone because I was struggling to master the exam myself. Hell if I offered any kind of assistance during that time, I might have caused someone to blow the test themselves.  However after my results came in and everything was all said and done I offered my notes and even tutored people free of charge I knew were struggle. Let me make clear that those individuals were making efforts to help themselves. They didn't expect me to do all the work or take the freaking test for them. Some people would see that as me giving back, while I view it as being a decent human being. There is right and there is wrong. Hiding notes or tearing pages out of book is beyond ridiculous. My accomplishments didnít come from stepping on others or expecting a hand out.

Lets keep it real for a moment; Martin Luther King and Malcolm X give back. The little stuff we do is remedial compared to the strides those men made in society.  Nevertheless I still believe that you canít help anyone unless you help yourself first. Iíll use an example a pretty intelligent person recently said to me  ďHow are you going to be helping someone when you are eating government cheese yourself?Ē No pun intended but you see my point? Clean your own house first...


Hey Muse, I get you now, and I see what you were saying.  I say what you did is giving back.  I applaud anyone who has the fortitude to turn around and assist others behind them to achieve. And let me tell you, there are many people out there who have outlines and dont offer them, and have information and dont tell it.  They view that as looking out for themselves because if they are they only person of color with the information, they figure they will get the highest score.  I understand if you are studying for the LSAT you cant really help others because you dont know if what you are doing is right.  However, there are always ways of assisting people, be it giving encouragement to people, or giving them a push when they look like they are about to quit.  It does not have to be teaching them how to do something after you finished doing it.

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Black Law Students / Re: 1L's
« on: April 20, 2005, 02:58:41 PM »
Faith, your post is very much on point. Although a degree is just a piece of paper, it does open a lot of doors in our society and get folks to listen to what you have to say. My question is how can you help someone when your own business is not on point? In my eyes, you might end up dragging the person down instead of lifting them you know?

But if you take that mentality, when do you ever try to help because you are going to always be trying to get your business on point.

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Black Law Students / Re: 1L's
« on: April 20, 2005, 02:56:41 PM »
this is an interesting discussion and i agree that we need to continue to reach back and help others, thats how i was raised. i wanted to respond to sands perception of black people "caught in the numbers game" becoming apart of the "me, myself and i" mentality. i know i'm sensitive about this kind of stuff, but i disagree with that assessment of black folks who go to those "ranked" schools. one thing i will say for my education and my experience with black folks, the "me myself and i" mentality is everywhere, and i experienced it more from students i met from hbcu's and other "so-called" lower ranked schools than at my undergrad and some others who were similarly ranked. i don't know why i have those perceptions, but it comes from my personal experience. i have met dr. akbar, and i have heard him speak more than once. he has always said, go to the centers of knowledge here and take what they have, go to the centers of knowledge in the african world and learn that, then you will be empowered to help your people. i am concerned about rankings, because i recognize that it makes a difference to how white folks perceive me and listen to me. i've been in many situations where white men/women have ignored what i said until i said i graduated from ... then the whole tone of the conversation changed. my hope is to use that for my community. and i know many more people who went to school with me who feel the same way. of course i have good friends who think like regal too, and its all good, do what you do. i just know that everything i have/will attain is built on the backs of the ancestors, so if one individual doesn't necessarily "want to improve themselves" (although i don't agree with that terminology), thats fine, i did my part, and i'll just reach out to the next person. sorry i wrote so much, i just think that there are plenty of people who play the #s game in order to help folks in the future as well. obama is only one very prominent example.

Don't apologize for the length, unless your talking nonsense  ;). But I feel where you're coming from, some black people have the me, myself, and I attitude no matter where they go to school. I see *some* (only a few) of it at my LS and I'm like, wtf?? What's that all about? But you best believe, when BLSA is having a party, or having outlining sessions and other similar things, they they first ones in line..... ::) I'm sure other people have seen this on a smaller scale in UG. Hell, look at Michael Jackson, he tried to literally become white, but as soon as all this legal trouble started it's because he's a black man, he's being persecuted like Nelson Mandela (still can't believe he said that  :() It's a mess girl. And of course, I say go to the best school for YOU. For the most part, I don't believe that anyone is discounting the seriousness of the system re: "prestigiousness" as it is today, my only issue comes in when black students don't want to give back, don't they realize that they are able to attend the "prestigious" institutions that they are b/c black people before them did just that! To me, it's shitting on that legacy........

Ladyday, you have said it all.  I dont have anything else to say.  Now watch, I am going to go and say something anyway.  That is me, you will get used to it.  I am not saying that you should go to a lesser school or a HBCU.  I am saying go to the school that you want to go to for whatever reasons you want.  Whether it is that is the only school you got in to, it is the highest ranked school you got in to, it is on the west/east coast.  What I am saying is that everyone makes their own decisions for them what school they want to go to and there is nothing wrong with that.  My problem is that you have people who are selfish, keep their outlines to themselves, study techniques kept to themselves, keeping things that are helpful to themselves, but the first time anyone else has anything they are the first in line to try to get it.  The problem with the "I" mentality is that while it might help you or at least you think it is helping you, it is really not.  Because think about it like this....if we never progress as a people, ultimately, you are the one that is hurt.  I just think we have to think in a broader way with more vision toward the future.  If you are only always thinking about yourself, how do you get the strength to ask for help when you are never willing to give help.  

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Black Law Students / Re: 1L's
« on: April 20, 2005, 01:40:18 PM »
I'm all about the "I" because "I" own you.  ::) 

Ahhhh, a comedian.  Well we will see how funny you are after your first semester of law school!!!   ;D

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Black Law Students / Re: 1L's
« on: April 20, 2005, 01:38:52 PM »
I think that this discussion board is a great assistance.  You are allowing 1Ls and pre law students to come and gain some knowledge from  your experience.  Keep reaching back and giving and it will soon catch on.  Here is an example of walking the walk and not just talking the talk.  When I was attending UF they had a trial team (and still do as far as I know).  I had many people of color come to me to assist them in making it on the team.  For some reason when I tried out, I didnt make it (2 times), yet at the same time I was able to assist two women get on.  They told others and one came to me the next semester and asked me to help her and I did and she made it on and then next thing I know, I had my hands full helping people.  One semester alone I had 10 students that were seeking help.  I helped each and every one of those students.  I could have done the easy thing and said, sorry, I have my own studies to worry about.  But I did not do that.  I took time away from my busy schedule and assisted those students every night they were trying out.  By the time I graduated, I had assisted somewhere in the neighborhood of 12-15 people of color on the trial team.  Prior to my attending UF there had only been 3 people of color in the history of the trial team.  Now the point of that story is to show that if one person can do that, imagine what 10, 100 or 1000 law students of color can do.  Pass the word and roll your sleeves up and start working because we have a LONG way to go.

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