« on: January 24, 2008, 06:57:38 AM »
Congratulations on the potential grade change.
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Impressive. I'm sure he'll be so much more sympathetic now that you've gone above his head without trying to handle the situation with him first...
Wouldn't have happened if the prof had responded to any of my attempts to contact him in the past 8 days.
And why should I care about what he thinks when the dean will change the grade for me? It wasn't even my idea to have the dean speak with the prof....
Also, I'm sure the embarrassment of being reminded of the school's grading scheme does not outweigh the embarrassment of having a grade you've given overturned by the school administration.
I'm afraid I don't understand the kerfluffle over this either. Fine, so there's no mandatory curve. I know of a class where there's regularly an 8-pt spread between the highest grade and the lowest grade - grading clusters are not at all uncommon in classes where the raw material isn't that difficult and the main distinction between exams is how sophisticated the arguments are. (That, incidentally, is the whole point of the curve - to translate a grading clusterf**ck into an intelligible, if totally subjective and somewhat meaningless distribution.) And this isn't middle school, where 85% is automatically going to be tied to a B+. Dunno, just seems like a lot of indignation over something that's unfortunate, but not necessarily unfair.
This is what I've learned from talking to profs this week...
These are the factors, the more you have the better your chances
1) Rank and your school (Top 5%)
2) Reputation of Law School you from which you graduate (T10 best, T1 ok, T2 stretching it)
3) Federal Clerkship (Based alot on 1 and 2)
4) Being on Law Review or Journal
5) LLM from a Top School
Also, I've learned that LLM programs are not that difficult to get into. According to my sources, they are basically a money maker for the school.
Thanks for the input all; transferring seems like my best bet, no matter what the current school offers me.
I didn't read all of this thread, so I apologize in advance if my advice is redundant. But coming from someone who is also trying to crack into academia, I don't think this list is complete. Certainly all of the things you listed are important, but probably the most important factor is your publication record.
As far as transferring, I think it's a tough call. To begin with, as others have pointed out, most law profs come from a very small number of schools, namely Yale, Harvard, Chicago, etc. Becoming a prof from a T4 or even a T2/low T1 is very unlikely -- not impossible, but unlikely. But you will also HAVE to be at the very top of your class and on law review. And if you transfer and end up w/median grades or worse and no law review, becoming a prof will be virtually impossible. Now, becoming a prof may be virtually impossible from your current school, and so the risk may be the same.
Edit: I also wanted to add that I don't think LLMs are all that important, and while they're probably more important for students who attend lower ranked schools, an LLM from, say Columbia, is not going to make you marketable if you werent remotely marketable before. A phd however may make you considerably more marketable, especially given that the trend in academia is towards interdisciplinary scholarship.
Just curious, those who got into the summer institute.. what are your stats?
I was denied last year for the full time program. My stats were 3.1 and 142. Wasn't even accepted to the SUmmer Program.
I don't know if I should apply to their part time program. I'm a MD resident, if that helps.
Hi all, im only going to be starting law school next year (at where else but Michigan, as my name implies), and I was just wondering what the point of an LLM was. I certainly would like to do legal research stuff, as well as maybe somewhere down the line teach at a law school (though I guess my chances are slim, as I go to "lowly" Michigan and not harvard or yale). Do I need an LLM to do this? Or are LLM's generally used to "offset" lower ranked schools? Is it worth it only to do a LLM at a more prestigious school, like HYS? Any input would be great, I am indeed a puzzled 1L to be.
Hmm I wish you didn't have to have references.
I'm thinking I may not be interested in clerking after all. Hmmmm
What's wrong with references? Just cause they're a pain to get people to do in a timely fashion?
No, it's because I don't have anyone to write them.