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Well, an update...

Loyola decided to rectify the situation, I just have to mail them another check, and everything is kosher.  Kudos to them and the admissions office for this one.

Thanks you everyone for the advice.

Congrats on "getting to yes!"  As a future lawyer, let this be your first lesson in assertiveness.  You have done well, my friend!

For what it is worth, if everything transpired as you said it did, then the way in which Loyola handled this matter was nothing short of appalling.  Is it just me, or is the administration at Loyola Law School seriously inept?


Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Best Law Schools in Canada
« on: June 28, 2005, 11:37:38 AM »
Hey I was wondering if anybody has any knowledge on Canadian Law Schools.  What's the best one?  How do they compare?  etc... etc...

Ummmmm...if you're from the States, then any excitement you may have about coming up here to get a law degree on the cheap, if that's why you inquire, should be tempered by the fact that a Canadian degree will not be well-known to most American employers.   

The faculties of law at McGill University and the University of Toronto are the only Canadian law schools that are somewhat well-known in the United States, but even then, these law schools are only really well-known in MA, NY and possibly CA.  Furthermore, a Canadian law degree will only allow you to write the bar exams in MA and NY straight out of law school, and in CA if you article and pass the bar in a Canadian jurisdiction.

Cheeks' thoughts about where McGill and Toronto might expect to rank if they were included in the USN&WR rankings is probably not far off.  Both schools are quite good.

Bottom line: if you want to work in the States, you should go to an American law school.

I offer this only as a friendly bit of advice!

Kind regards,

Hey just wanted to see if any brave souls had called or heard any updates on possible WL this point I will even take rumors! JK

I was of the impression that there MAY be some movement later this week.

Keep your eyes peeled!


My apologies to those sick of reading this thread, but straight to the top once again!

Anyone else?


Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: Northwestern Waitlist
« on: June 27, 2005, 09:10:41 PM »
Maclock -

I would contact the people in the admissions office if I were you. I was notified for shortened waitlist on June 7th after being waitlisted on March 18th. The notice was sent by email so be sure they have the right one on record for you. I think it was extremely important that I wrote them a letter of continued interest after the shortened waitlist notice so it is vital for you to find out what is going on with your app so you can let them know that you really want to go. They might think since they haven't heard from you that you don't want to attend anymore.


Oh, dear....

Last week, I sent an e-mail to the person handling my file expressing just how keen is my interest in Northwestern and then followed up by telephone.  Over the phone, this individual didn't sound too hopeful.  I was left with the impression that I might do best planning to attend another law school.  My other wailists are Rutgers-Newark and Miami, and there doesn't seem to be any movement at either of those schools.  It may come to pass that I have to attend the University of Kansas.  Lawrence, Kansas, here I come!?!?!?!

Lawrence looks like a nice town, and the faculty and staff at the University of Kansas seem to be warm, genuine and caring, but I have serious apprehensions about how well a J.D. from Kansas will travel if I'm not in the top 10% of the class.

(I have canned the idea of going to Southwestern.  Simply put, I have heard too many negative things about that school.)

Many thanks for your suggestions, Starresky!

Kind regards,

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: Northwestern Waitlist
« on: June 27, 2005, 07:53:08 PM »
For those of you admitted off the waitlist at Northwestern over the course of the last few days, may I inquire:

(1) when you were put on the waitlist; and

(2) if you were asked in recent weeks whether you would like to be placed on a shortened summer waitlist.

I was waitlisted on April 12th (I applied relatively late in the cycle and didn't write my LSAT until February) and have received no other communications since that date, so I'm just trying to gauge what steps others on the waitlist have gone through over the past few months.  I have yet to receive an unequivocal "no" by letter from the admissions office, so I'm not entirely certain if the door has been shut.  (Does Northwestern send out such letters denying admission after you have been waitlisted?)

Congrats again to all recent admits; you are a source of inspiration and hope to those of us who might yet be accepted by Northwestern!

Many thanks,

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: Northwestern Waitlist
« on: June 27, 2005, 04:22:15 PM »
Got an email from Johann Lee today and I am in!!

I am super excited.  Between family and friends in the area and the quality of the school, I can't really beat it.

BTW- It sounded like the waitlist would be moving.

Congrats!  That's excellent news!


Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: Northwestern Waitlist
« on: June 27, 2005, 12:53:30 PM »


It might appear on the surface that the Rutgers degree does not travel very well. But I think in reality, the graduates are not interested in traveling outside of the NYC, NJ,Philly, DC area. If you are in close proximity to some of the largest legal markets, why try to transport your degree cross coast to the Midwest or the west coast? I think the locality of Rutgers graduates may be a reflection of personal choice and not a reflection of a lack of name recognition.

I had, of course, thought about that, too, and further thought that the dispersion of Miami grads across the country might have more to do with large classes of graduates being pumped out of Miami and a soft/saturated local legal market not being able to handle all of the grads from the University of Miami than with a Miami degree travelling better.  After all, people need to work!  All these suppositions, however, may not be vaild at all, and so I come in search of the truth.  Does anyone know how well these degrees will travel?

And I know that there are some wonderful legal markets in the North-east, but having grown up in a snowy wasteland, I would like to take my J.D. somewhere sunny, warm, safe and prosperous!   ;)

Many thanks for your reply, though!  As noted, I had thought something similar, but would like to know how a J.D. from Rutgers is actually received outside of the North-east (as opposed to reasons why Rutgers grads are not well-represented on the West Coast, for example).  Please excuse me if this sounds "chippy"; that's not my intention at all.  The Internet is a lousy means of communicating subtlety, nuance, etc.

Anecdotal evidence seemed to indicate that Miami grads end up working in better firms in large markets far removed from Miami. This may have more to do with the fact that Rutgers grads, to the extent that they want to work in fancy firms, stay in their own backyard, though.

All the best,

I am not being chippy either. My intentions were clear:

You provided information from Martindale as evidence for your speculation that the Rutgers name may not travel well outside of the east coast. I am pointing out that your analysis of that information is off. There is a better, more FACTUAL interpretation of that data:

-A large portion of RU students come from jersey (a state school) and the surrounding areas. So they decide to stay in Jersey or in the surrounding areas.

-The largest legal markets are in RU's backyard. So many of them decide to stay in the surrounding areas.

So, in other words, you can not use Martindale to draw conclusions about national name recognition. Because there are many variables that determine where graduates of a certain law school decide to live and practice. In this case, name recognition is less likely to be the driving force behind this trend.

Many thanks for your reply. 

There's no need to shout or to become defensive.  I am not challenging whether Rutgers is a good school; I just want to get an idea of whether the degree travels well for those who are not at the top of their class and who want to work outside of the North-east.  Your first post was genuinely insightful, and I was merely remarking how I had thought some similar things.  I was not at any time implying that you were being chippy.

By the way, your so-called "...better, more FACTUAL interpretation of that data..." about Rutgers is just as much supposition as my ruminations about Miami, so relax a little, will ya?  How many Rutgers grads become trapped in the region and are forced to work there because they cannot relocate, even if they wanted to?  I have seen how degrees from certain law schools will not easily allow one to work outside of certain markets, no matter how good or unique one's experience may be.  (Remember, I actually hold a law degree and have some experience with these types of things.)

Your interest in this topic is most welcome, however.

All the best,

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