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no offense...but it blows my mind that someone could need a $2,500+ computer....overkill?

you're absolutely right if you have a very narrow use for the laptop... this will be more than just a note-taking machine for me.  additionally, it will be the only laptop i intend to purchase for at least the next three years, which means i wanted something towards cutting-edge right now.  if i needed a laptop to just take notes with, and only needed it for a year, i definitely would have made a different purchase.

also, not that i want to split hairs, but the computer itself cost $2K.  add shipping, tax and additional warranty coverage and you have $2600.  there are ways to save on all three of those items, but i made specific choices.  if i had the thing sent slow-shipping to new jersey for example, i could have saved ~$200.

Did you PAY $2650 or was it $1350 (You said you paid about $1300 less than if it were retail price). 

Even $2,650 seems ridiculous to me, didn't you look at the $750 off Dell coupon?  The i9300 has really good reviews from CNET and PCMAGAZINE. 

I do agree though, an IBM thinkpad is a top-top machine.  I would have gotten one if it weren't cost-prohibitive for me for all the specs I want (basically what you got, but without bluetooth).

I paid $2650.  The normal price of this machine, without education discount, is close to $4K.  ThinkPads are expensive.  In my mind, they are over priced.  However, I had two things to consider.

First thing is that my school will increase my student budget by the cost of a computer up to $3K.  This means that my laptop cost will be bundled into my student loan.  Since that thing is so freakin huge anyway, what's another few hundred bucks?  Second, while I did look at all Dell models, and price configurations, they just don't make 'em like a ThinkPad.  It's kinda hard to describe unless you've got both side by side. 

The ThinkPad is built like a truck.  The LCD has zero flex, the keyboard is the best out there, and the security and recovery tools that come built into the thing are amazing.  It's made out of stronger and lighter materials than my bike for pete's sake!  I just didn't get a warm and fuzzy when using the Dell.  I didn't like the keyboard, I felt the designs were clunky and not as solid, etc.  While I did like the screens on the Dell, I'm very happy with my SXGA on the T43. 

In the end I think buying a computer is a personal thing.  I've been buying them for 20 years and every time I do it's a several month process to find the right one.  And the reasons I end up buying one will always be slightly different then the next guy.  I can't say you should buy a ThinkPad or a Dell.  All I can do is tell ya what I did and let that factor in to your decision process.  The extra $$$$ on the ThinkPad, in the end, was worth it to me.

Dont buy a computer that costs more than $1500 unless you just have money to burn, all you need it for is to run mircosoft word. Don't pay for companies to sell you overpriced RAM. You can buy it yourself at half the price, its not hard to install you just snap it in. Also keep in mind computer manufacturers love extended warranties almost as much as used car dealerships.

here's a hypo for ya - say you run a business out of your house that requires you to drive your own automobile 2000 miles per week.  If you don't do the driving, you don't get paid and you don't have money to pay bills, etc.  wouldn't you get a warranty on that car?  isn't it mission-critical enough to have some piece of mind that if the thing breaks someone will fix it?  and wouldn't you buy the most reliable car you could find in the first place?  one that has the least likely chance to break down on you?

well, if you plan on taking notes in class on a laptop, your little computer is just as critical to your livelihood.  maybe i'm strange, but i'd buy the most reliable and best i could afford, and then warranty it up the wazzoo.

General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: OneNote Program Question
« on: May 31, 2005, 04:30:00 PM »
So, then, getting back to the topi ;) I can get any little microphone plug in and it will work? As is, they are universal?

any mic will do, however, buyer beware.  not all mics will function well in large classroom settings.  mics designed for dictation won't pick up the professor even a few rows away, and some mics designed for large rooms pick up excessive noise.  that's why i recommend reading some reviews on amazon or epionion or something like that before you buy one.

Did you buy it over the phone?  Did you get any discounts?  I am looking for the cheapest way to buy.  As a Hastings student I can buy through Berkeley.  I am trying to figure out if that will actually save me any money or not.  They seel one with a 80 GB hd

I bought it over the phone through a phone number that was listed on the IBM/Lenovo education discount page that I was on.  Each state has their own programs, sometimes each school, and each program has a 4-digit extension/code linked to it that you should dial after the phone number to get prices quoted from that program's discounts.  Additionally, I had developed a relationship with one of the sales folks after calling back a few times with questions, and when I finally decided on a computer he threw in an extra 512MB of RAM for free, so I'd recommend a similar method.  I don't believe the sales folks there work on commission, but I think they do work on incentives for high sales volume.

If price is a concern, tool around on the IBM education sales site.  There are very good deals hidden in those pages.  I got my T43 for about $1300 less than it would have cost through the normal channels.

What specs does yours have and how much did it cost? I'm just wondering about the deal I got...

ThinkPad T43, Model 2668-94U
2Ghz CPU
Bluetooth/ABG Wireless
Fingerprint Reader
Additional 3-yr ThinkPad accidental damage coverage w/ on-site repair (the standard that comes with it is 3yr depot service and no accidental damage coverage)

$2655.03 after tax and shipping to NYC (tax rates vary on by state)

If price is a concern, tool around on the IBM education sales site.  There are very good deals hidden in those pages.  I got my T43 for about $1300 less than it would have cost through the normal channels.

General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: OneNote Program Question
« on: May 30, 2005, 10:04:06 AM »
I downloaded OneNote, and it seems like it could be very useful, but I can't figure out how to use it.  Can someone tell me some of the basics?

Sorry to be a pain
There are tutorials available on Microsoft's website that are useful in getting you started.  After that, there are discussion boards and knowledge bases on the Microsoft website that can also help.

I just purchased a T43 and I love it.  I bought it online through IBM just before the switch to Lenovo, but by the time it arrived all the warranty info and docs had been switched to say Lenovo.  No change in my services though.  In fact, there really isn't any changes at all right now that would impact the consumer.

As for buying it, if you live in NYC there is a store on Madison Ave and 56th/55th streeet (I forget what it's called but it's on the east side of Madison on the corner) and they have T42s and X41s on display.  The T43 is structurally identical to the T42 except the T43 has an Express Card slot and a PC card slot instead of two PC Card slots.  Everything else, from the outside, is the same so you should be able to go anywhere that has a T42 and get a good sense of what the thing will look and feel like.

General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: OneNote Program Question
« on: May 28, 2005, 09:41:20 AM »
sony offers a couple of good ones designed for large lecture halls... i forget the models, but if you go to their website you'll see them.  not sure of other brands.  also, if you go to and search on microphones you'll see several with user comments atteched.

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