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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Third Tier Toilets...
« on: April 13, 2005, 01:52:00 PM »
College students are not people?? What are they, newts??? Amphibians?? That stuff that solidifies in the cupholders of cars??

I know you didn't mean for that statement to be taken literally, but come on.  College students are, in fact people, and it is in high school and college where you develope your personality most and form "people skills."

P.S. I also plan on developing my people skills at Little 5 this weekend... best weekend in college.
When you say "people skills", it should mean that you know how to deal with the vast range of people in the world.  Different races, genders, sexuality, life experiences, expectations, education, etc.  Generally, the people at college parties, especially in Bloomington, tend to be white males and females between the ages of 18-22 who have graduated from high school and will likely graduate from college.  They are also normally not in the lowest end of the socio-economic scale.  They also all have a couple of similar interests, namely parties, music, liquor, and socializing.  So when you say people skills, I take that to mean that you've learned to deal with just about any person that you could possibly meet, and a college party just doesn't have that kind of diversity.  Social skills is a better term for that.  Learning how to be comfortable in a social situation.

That being said, I believe that University of Chicago tilts right (Posner, Alan Bloom, Friedman, et al) but is, ultimatley, more balanced than many schools more oriented towards the left (Michigan, for example, which I think goes overboard).
That's really true about Michigan.  Ann Arbor is consistently voted the one of the most liberal city in the country.  I have friends who describe themselves as "bleeding heart liberals" who say that sometimes it can be overbearing.  Then again, having a liberal city makes it a little more comfortable than smaller college towns, Bloomington for example, which is a pretty conservative city with a pretty liberal university in it.

Back to the OP's concern, I think the real issue is that you're worrying at all.  You should be able to attend any law school, and feel comfortable whether your liberal, conservative, or whatever.  Personally, if I ended up at a law school where everyone thought that it was a forum for their political beliefs all the time, I would get sick of it very quickly, even if I agreed with what people were saying.  I think it's really a indicator of how bad politics have gotten, that someone doesn't feel they can get an education at certain schools because they won't feel accepted if they disagree with the majority.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Third Tier Toilets...
« on: April 12, 2005, 06:57:27 AM »
I actually got into a  T2 school, but i'm not sure i want to go there cause it is in Wisconsin. Being an NYC boy, i'm not sure i'll fit in.
I don't know about Marquette or the law school, but there are plenty of New Yorkers in the Midwest.  Michigan, Indiana, Wisconsin (universities) all have big populations of New Yorkers.  I'll admit that here at IUB, there is a little bit of antagonism ("You're all Midwest hicks!" vs. "You're all a bunch of pompous jerks!") but it's not bad.  I'm down to IU-Bloomington and Marquette, and if I didn't absolutely love Bloomington and IU, having been here for three years, then I would have settled on Marquette for the sports law program a long time ago.

As for the original post, I agree on a few things.  If you're using "TTT" to demean someone's choices or accomplishments, then you're being an a-hole.  However, some people who are going to T3 schools use it just as much after being caught up in the law school way of thinking and end up demeaning themselves, at least jokingly.

If you've been to and been to their pre-law discussion board, it's even worse.  I chose the schools I wanted to attend based on much different factors than ranking and how much money I can make after I graduate.  I'm now faced with an incredibly difficult decision, as most people are.  When I was relating this story, someone basically said "You obviously don't have the grades or LSAT you say you do if you're applying to those schools (IU and Marquette)."  Not being a show-off, just for illustrative purposes, my grades were on the very high end of those two schools, and if I was following the normal formula, I would have applied to much higher ranked schools.  I think that's the big problem.  The whole law school way of thinking is that everything is predetermined.  If you get X.XX GPA and XXX LSAT, then you must apply to law schools ranked X-Y.  And since people are beginning to focus on law school and make it the most important thing in their life (especially the people who rag on T3/T4 and even T2), they seem to believe your ability to get into law school demonstrates your worth as a person.

As far as parties developing "people skills", I have to disagree.  College students are not "people".  College students, especially at a party, tend to be very similar.  People are "the public".  Until you deal with the public, I think you have "social skills" or "networking skills", but you need to work in retail or customer service to have "people skills".

i ultimately would like to engage in representation of athletes, aka sports agent work in the future.  i realize i have a few options in regards to pursuing that goal, but it's what i want as an end-result.

now for the kicker..
psu-dickinson has an actual in-house arts, sports and entertainment law clinic.  i can't even find a single sports/entertainment related course in the duquesne electives curriculum, though they *do* have a sports and entertainment law society student organization.

do you think the in-house clinic at psu garnars enough weight to sway my decision toward that school?  or would i possibly be better served joining that student org at duq and relying on connections more heavily to get where i want to be?
Of the two, I think you're really stuck between a rock and a hard place.  The sports industry (as you know) is all about network and experience.  An in-house sports law clinic is a big advantage, as is the ability to work with a D-I athletics program.  ON the other hand, Pittburgh offers professional teams and probably more sports law firms.  If you are really serious about sports law though I suggest you wait a year and apply to Marquette.  I don't know if you did and didn't get in, but 11 classes, a sports law journal, a sport law moot court team, and the National Sports Law Institute are all more valuable than than no classes or just a clinic.  The biggest thing about Marquette is that the people they are hiring as faculty in sports law are people who have worked in the industry.  They provide a valuable network that you can tap into much more easily as a student than as just a member of the public.  If you can't wait a year though, go to PSU.

Indiana-Bloomington has a fellowship which is full tuition and fees plus $8,000.  If you lived in many apartments in Bloomington, that would be basically room and board.  It probably doesn't count as just giving someone money to come to the school the fellowship includes a research oppertunity with a professor, so you're being paid to check cites in his/her law review article.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Indiana-Bloomington email?
« on: March 26, 2005, 05:12:53 AM »
Their deadline is April 15th, so if you have everything ready and apply through the LSAC site, then I don't see why they can't continue to get applicants.  In all my correspondence with them, I've seen that scholarship money is still available to people who apply even in April.

Read those seat deposit forms carefully.  I don't think they bind you to the school.  You can still say "Hey, keep my money, but I decided to go elsewhere."  If you really want to go to a school you're still waiting on, then I think $100-$250 for some piece of mind as you wait is worth it.  Then you just have to swallow the money.  I would call the schools and ask them about your status, and see if you can't pressure them a bit to make a decision.

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