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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Toledo Vs. Maine?
« on: May 27, 2006, 12:46:40 PM »
    I went to Toledo because of one thing (price), but I soon forgot that they were not my first choice.  The atmosphere at Toledo is great.  The students are pretty close and we all get along fairly well - there is a lot more to do in Toledo than I anticipated.  Toledo is a convenient city to live in, everything is only a few minutes away and traffic is not too bad.  Cost of living is low and there are numerous appartments to choose from, or otherwise.  The most remarkable thing about the profs is that they are extremely open door.  If you have ANY questions they will spend time to help you - I am a somewhat self-sufficient person and only asked questions on one or two occaisions outside class, but friends have told me about thier experiences. 
    I finished 1L somewhere between the middle and top 1/3 of my class depending on a two more grades - not great but OK.  I am working this summer with a criminal defense attorney in Lapeer MI, a little over two hours north of Toledo.  I am from Oxford, MI which is near Lapeer, and am staying with my parents.  My wife is holding down the fort in Toledo, and I head back there on the weekends, or she comes up here.  I am 26, so I'm sort of one of the older of the normal age students.  I think most students in the day class are between 22-27, then there are a few older students.  Back to my job... Lapeer is a smaller town, the district and circuit court (for the county - Lapeer County) are both located in town, our office is right across the street.  I have already met both district court judges, and one of the circuit court judges.  By met I mean, I was introduced and we had a short chat back in chamber.  The attorney asked is I could handle something smaller at the end of the summer and the judge was fine with that.  We are in the court most days of the week, I have been there a week now and have already learned a good deal. 
    Most 1L's were able to get jobs if they wanted them (some just took classes), but most jobs were doing legal research part-time and other similar things.  I guess I'll know more about what some of my classmates did after the summer is over.  For now I need to go get ready to play some golf today, but I'll try to check back on the board every couple days or at least once a week - if you have specific questions feel free to ask.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Toledo Vs. Maine?
« on: May 15, 2006, 03:48:22 AM »
I just finished 1L at Toledo and would be happy to answer any questions - job doesn't start for a few more days and the weather is keeping me off the golf course, I'll be around and check the board for a few more days

General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Save yourself the trouble
« on: April 25, 2006, 06:46:11 PM »
am I the only law student that thinks its just not that bad?  I mean yeh studying sucks, but the material is not all that intensely difficult, its just the mass amount of it.  I just look at it this way, at least Im not getting my ass shot up in Iraq or something, now that is a situation that would suck and Id rather have my nut hairs pulled out one by one as was mentioned earlier.  Law school?  Not that bad

Yeah, now that the first one is over I feel much better.  I was mostly just wanting to complain about not being able to play as much golf and watch as much hockey as I would like.  The material really isn't crazy hard or anything, it just sucks that it all boils down to one exam, where as undergrad was at least a couple exams, or maybe a few papers.  Whatever though, in just 10 short days I'll be done with 1L and I must say it was not as bad as I expected.  I go to University of Toledo in response to the earlier question.

General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Save yourself the trouble
« on: April 21, 2006, 04:14:53 PM »
That's right, don't send in any more seat deposits, call the bursar and try to get it refunded.  There is something better to do than to go to law school.  I personaly would rather have an entire football team run a train on my ass than to go to law school.  Classes aren't bad, sometimes boring, sometimes interesting, but EXAMS....
Well F-bomb exams, Is it even possible that I conteplated suicide 4,374 times during my final week (actually that's a low estimate), It is 75 degrees and sunny, yet here I sit locked in my appartment at my desk for the next two straight weeks.  I know what you're thinking, two weeks isn't long.  Well imagine two weeks straight of having your nut sack hairs plucked out one at a time, then after each plucking a midget runs up and kicks you in the shins.  It would be one thing to be studdying for a history, English, math or whatever final for two weeks, that would be tolerable - this is not.  Worst part Civ Pro is the last exam, which basically requires you to memorize ALL of the fed rules of Civ Pro, and thier application, and be abble to spot wich one should be used when in this pile of facts that looks like dream you had after a bad acid trip.  F law school, F exams, F the next two weeks ... save yourself the trouble and quit now - go get an MBA, or PHD in something easy, or maybe just say screw it and work construction.

Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Univ. of Toledo Review
« on: March 30, 2006, 10:47:18 PM »
his review was pretty much on target - I am happy that I chose Toledo.  It wasn't my first choice, but financially it made the most sense and I haven't regretted it for a second.  The students are great, the profs are top notch and very open door, the campus is nice (law building away from undergrads), nice rec center, somewhat ugly library, but technology is good (wireless of course) and resources are fine, Toledo in general is not a bad city to spend three years in. 

Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Univ. of Toledo Review
« on: March 30, 2006, 09:58:03 PM »
WTF - emarejay!

Where have you been lately - did you drop some of your classes or are you on an extended vacation - I shot over to LSD after hearing the 07' rankings were out and here you are.  Have you been playing golf, or sleeping off a few hangovers - hope your still alive and all.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Toledo 1L Taking Questions
« on: February 13, 2006, 08:44:43 AM »
I too was accepted to MSU and had planned on going to MUS or Penn St.  I applied to Toledo very late in the year (maybe late March).  The reason I applied here was because I found out that I would need a co-singer for my private loans at MSU or PSU, as you know they are both around 25K a year.  Toledo is only 12K in state and I was in one of the five MI counties that were considered in state.  I also visited MSU and I thought the new building was quite nice.  I have known a few people (two) who went to MSU, but one went there suring the move, the other just graduated in 04.  Both liked MSU, but one wished he'd gone to Wayne or Toledo to save money.

In both of these schools you will get a good education, MSU is on the rise and should continue to do so.  Both degrees will carry well into MI, I think Toledo's is a little better in the metro-Detroit area, but not by much.

As for Toledo...the good and bad
-the profs are very open door and will help you as much as you want
-the administration is actually very good
-our classrooms are top-notch, wireless, plugs at every seat, comfortable chairs (better than MSU's plastic ones)
-we have lockers just like MSU does
-our law school building is on the edge of campus, so no fighting with undergrad traffic
-the overall atmosphere is welcoming and good
-the library is OLD and looks it, it works fine, we have all we need, its just not as nice as MSU
-there is no food place in the law school, you either pack a lunch or eat the free pizza that is around two or three times a week, or run somewhere quick
-we do have a nice speaker series with speakers every week at noon in the auditorium and free pizza is served for the one hour talks - check the website for some examples, but many of the speekers are not listed there
-I like that UT is smaller than MSU, it is a more personable setting, and there are quite a few planned student activities (the golf outing being the highlight)
-we also have a nice rec center on campus that's not too crowded

just a note: if you do get a scholorship at MSU, you may need to stay top 25% or some such thing to keep it.  This sounds easy but you will be fighting for that spot against many smart indiviuals and its not hard to end up at 35% or the like.  MSU is a great school, but in my eyes its not worth twice the price, and I actually think I am happier here at Toledo than I would've been at MSU.

I personally hate being the dumbest person at my school.  They always put signs on my back, and the Professors yell at me.  I think I may quit soon, I can't take this *&^% much longer. Actually once you start you will not even think about it, and there will always be a few people that are dumber, or at least ask dumber questions.

Just for the record most of my posts are from the pre-law days and I only pop on every couple weeks when I get bored, still a habit from last semester when I had a light load.

As to all these negative Toledo comments...
I too was in the transitional, it wasn't bad.  If you take a full load (16 credits) in the rest of your time you will get the required 89 without going in the summer.  I am going this route since I have full time work lined up for this summer.  Also, they should be a numbers whore, since USNEWS is making applicants think that is what is important.  The faculty and administration at this school are some of the best around, I don't know who bear girl talked to on the phone, but she has the wrong impression.  As to prestige, Toledo is not a very well known school, but in Ohio and Michigan it does very well.  Wayne State (a Michigan school) is of a very similar rank and otherwise and I would prefer to be here - Toledo is in a nicer area, has a better faculty, and places very similarly.  Also our X-Dean is still around he just isn't a dean anymore he is back to teaching. Also, some schools force people with lower numbers into expensive summer programs in which only about half are accepted, other force students to go PT for a full year and even then there is no guarantee that they will be able to switch, at least at Toledo you can switch for sure and pretty much everyone is still around second semester.

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