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I actually had to make the same decision.  I looked at the financial aid "award" at Hastings and almost had a heart attack.  If you're getting in-state tuition it shouldn't be so bad, correct?

If you definitely want to be in Cali, then I think Hastings is the clear winner, on local rep and connections.  I think you can get a great education at either place.  Hastings facilities are kinda run down, and the fact that they are renovating their library next year (when we'll be 1Ls) really worried me.  I guess you've been there and can judge for yourself.  OSU has a really nice building, although it can feel a little high-schoolish because it's all one building.

I liked the environment at OSU more, people just seemed more content.  I think this has to do with the fact that OSU is the best law school in Ohio, and the top choice of alot of the students there, whereas UC Hastings definitely had a "I didn't get into Berkeley" vibe.  And that "beer on the beach" attempt to create community seemed a little hokey to me.  Drinking on a slab of concrete would not be my choice of activities if I lived in San Fran.

Overall, I can see why OSU is moving up in the rankings and Hastings down.  OSU is hiring great professors and offering alot of scholarship money to lure better students.  Money is what it came down to for me, not only would going to Hastings mean alot of debt, but the Bay Area housing market is really expensive.  Ironically, I thought the midwest would be a much less stressful place than northern Cali.

Also, I've visited a half dozen law schools, and OSU's professors are just incredibly accessible and friendly by comparison to all other schools.

But Hastings must be doing something right, their moot court team is exceptional.  So after alot of rambling, I'll come back to: if you definitely want Biglaw in Cali, go to Hastings.  But overall, I thought OSU had more intanglibles going for it and seemed like a happier place.

Did Hastings really give you loans only?  They gave me $$ after I had a short conversation with the dean.

Has anyone had any luck getting a deposit back from a school?  Is it a lost cause?

Anything that I could say to improve my chances?

An initial call to the office of admissions garnered a "you have to get that cleared with the Dean of Admissions" response.

I feel really bad in this case because this Dean had previously offered me a great scholarship and then upped it after I explained my financial situation.

I guess I just feel like an a**, but I had to go with the best option and I did give him a last chance to match and he said he couldn't.

Lemme know if you've had luck/what tactics you've used.

Yeah, that article is an interesting insight into what it's like in a boom market.  I think it was written around 2000, right?

I think that we'll be getting out of law school just when the market is turning around, building momentum before Hillary's election in the fall of '08.

Go Hillary!!

After rereading your post, I see that you said you prefer the east coast tremendously.  In this case, Penn is clearly the better choice.  Firms here are much more focused on traditional prestige and rankings than in the midwest.  Firms generally stick to the schools they know best: one of the NYU alums in my firm told me that she looked in Ohio for her 2L internship but didn't get an offer from Jones Day in Columbus, a firm that hires alot of OSU grads.  By contrast, I knew a friend at OSU that was at the top of his class and made it to final round interviews with Skadden in NYC but didn't get offered.

Personal experience again, I used to love the east coast, and I do find that people out here are more interesting and think more globally, but after working here for a year, I see that the legal community out here is not a very happy place.  The only thing that gets people up in the morning is the money, and even then the cost of living is ridiculously high.  Buying real estate is not a possibility for an associate out of law school for at least three years.  Contrast this with Ohio, where I'm buying a condo with my savings from one year in paralegaldom.

If you want a great article on practicing law on the east coast, check out this article from the New Yorker, it is really, really interesting.

I had a similar dilemma, Cornell (160k debt) vs. OSU (full ride).  I'm going with OSU, because I am the type of person to worry about debt, I am not sure I want to work for Biglaw (currently a paralegal at Biglaw in NYC and I'm underwhelmed with the lifestyle) and I think that OSU does well in Chicago, my preferred market should I choose Biglaw.

I made my decision after hearing about two of my former classmates from undergrad.  Both had received offers from Kirkland and Ellis in Chicago.  One went to Penn and the other to OSU (seriously, not making this up).

Disclaimer: You have to do well at OSU to get an offer like the one described above.


It doesn't look like I'm going to accept Hastings' offer, so you can have my spot  ;)

I went out for admit day, and I think it's a great school, great location, etc.  But my financial aid award letter suggested that I borrow 28K in private loans alone for the first year (I'm an out-of-stater), and I'm just not sure I want to be in BIGlaw long enough to pay off those loans.  And in order to qualify for loan repayment assistance, you have to work at a non-profit AND make less that 50K, which is, in my opinion, impossible to live on in the Bay Area.

So I am rambling, but my point is that Hastings is great but I'm passing, I really hope a spot opens for you.

Thanks, I wonder if extra money like that is only available to you fancy schmancy IP people  ;)

Well, maybe if you are not taking it that will free some money up for me.  Good luck at Kent, I have a friend that is going there in the fall, as well, a very nice girl named Jess.  Seek her out as a study partner if you meet her, she's a smart one.

I've never tried this before....BUMP!

Can I ask how you got the 24K from DePaul.  LSAT/GPA?

I personally would choose DePaul because I think it has better lateral mobility outside of the Chicago market.  I love Chicago, but if I ever wanted to move laterally to Denver or NYC I think the DePaul name travels much better.  I am currently working at a firm in NYC, and here most people think that the Chicago law school network is only Northwestern, UChicago, and DePaul.  They generally think that DePaul is the Fordham of the Chicago market, ie a respectable number 3.

Just my opinion.  So did you negotiate for more money or did they offer that off the bat?  Did they call it the Dean's Merit or is there another name for it?  Thanks so much!

I'm in!  Considering going out to Admitted Students day.  JetBlue flights from NYC to San Fran aren't bad.  See the law school on Saturday, wine country on Sunday, counds like a good time to me.

Jules, I'm utterly confused by your waitlist, your numbers are almost identical to mine.

My biggest concern with UC-H is now cost.  Being from out of state, it's going to be rough.

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