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I'd add that any international law that's going to be practiced in Texas could very well be with Mexico.  Given they share a border, UT probably has a better focus on that aspect.

regardless, "international law" is an absurdly broad category anyway.  if you're current preferences aren't narrower before you go to LS, no reason to choose schools over an ambiguously broad area of law.

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ok..no longer promising.

hahahaha


 :'(

I only speak from limited experience from lawyers I know. Whether all operate this way, I can't tell you. Like I said, though, get good grades, make law review, get some great clerkships/internships, and it won't matter where you went to school.

Everything is a matter of 'degree'.  Going to a lower ranked school won't hurt your chances outright, but you are better off, statistically, to a degree, at the better school (assuming a spread of more than 15 places).  Unfortunately it's hard to determine the spread betweena  T2 and T3 given than T3's aren't ranked in order.  That said, some T3's (like Syracuse last year) are known to be on the border, and therefore are more of a known quanity than others (vermont?).

There's a substantive difference between a T3 that's never been out of T3 and a T2.  That being said, this is only if all else is equal.  Geography, etc. can overcome it i.e. if you want to practice in Southern florida you're probably better off at Nova SE than Syracuse.  But if you want to practice anywhere else, you're better off (statistcally) at the better ranked/known school.  If you have a dream of going to a totally new market, the better name school (even if just for basketball) has got to be a help.

I'm the first person to say that nobody should ever count themselves out of the game due to where they went to school.  It's all what you make of it.  That said, you should always try to stack the deck as much as possible in your favor.  Think of the T2 as a slightly-better stacked deck.  your odds just went up a few points.

In terms of the interviewing hypotheses you guys are playing with, i agree to a degree.  not everyone gets interviews.  just like in the job world for every other career.  that's why some crummy catholic schools can outplace much better secular schools at elite catholic firms.  etc. etc.  that said, reputation, alumni, etc. are all factored into rankings, I believe.

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Next time you tell the story make the store employee a former playmate.  and make her extremely grateful for your chivarly.  Then i give the story a B+.   ;D

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bump.  did they send out more than one?

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you aren't crazy. Case/OSU good schools.  But Penn is Penn.  You can't ignore a T14, not in this scenario.  Frankly, even if you were choosing between Penn and a full tide at ND i'd probably tell you to take Penn.

There's a reason you were offered a full-ride at those other schools.  Think of it like that.  It's in THEIR interest for you to attend.  That said, I think it's in YOUR interests to go to Penn.

If you want a basic justification think of it like this - by going to Penn you assure that your ticket is stamped from day one.  You basically have a pass to a good job, regardless of where you end up in your class.  At Case you need to be near the top to assure a good job.  150K a lot, but certainly doable over 10-30 years, especially with the higher income you'll command (all you need to make is an extra 15K per year to cover student loan payments and you've ended up ahead.. that 15K is practically guarenteed by Penn, even if you want PI).

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this thread is classic  :D

Cliff Notes:

-I take a jab at Case for yield protecting
-CounterPoint gets sore in the ass and makes unfounded insults
-A few reasonable people tell him he's full of sh*t
-I call CounterPoint a fag and inadvertently heathenize myself in the eyes of HippieLawChick, who uses that tired out "you're so high-school" insult.
-BTW, HippieLawChick is a female dog  ;)

Don't take the high road now, Counterpoint, by being above name calling--you're much better as a rambling ass.

If I wanted to insult you I would have gone after your LSAT score.  Give it a rest.  I still think your attitude is lame.  I'm sorry you can't handle that.

haha, oh nos, attack my LSAT-- i can handle it. you're the one who's demonstrated a lack of ability to handle my attitude.

why is it, exactly, that my posting irks you so much? so I grossly underestimated my application and applied to third and second tier schools--big deal?

the only logical conclusions i can make from this are as follows:

1. you're on the waitlist at Case, and got pissed off immediately when you saw someone who said they probably wouldn't attend, but wanted the acceptance offer anway.
2. your quality as an applicant makes third and second tier schools a reach for you, so someone with OK numbers like myself crowding the applicant pool is a threat to your already lackluster legal career.

then again, you've displayed no logic in your weaving of an argument here, so far be it from me to "pigeonhole" you to logical conclusions.

Both your "logical" deductions were wrong.  This is hardly surprising given the intelligence level you've been showing off so far (and by the way, how would i hypotethically make fun of your LSAT if it was lower than yours?  you're pretty quick, eh?


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this thread is classic  :D

Cliff Notes:

-I take a jab at Case for yield protecting
-CounterPoint gets sore in the ass and makes unfounded insults
-A few reasonable people tell him he's full of sh*t
-I call CounterPoint a fag and inadvertently heathenize myself in the eyes of HippieLawChick, who uses that tired out "you're so high-school" insult.
-BTW, HippieLawChick is a female dog  ;)

Don't take the high road now, Counterpoint, by being above name calling--you're much better as a rambling ass.

If I wanted to insult you I would have gone after your LSAT score.  Give it a rest.  I still think your attitude is lame.  I'm sorry you can't handle that.

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In terms of Case being the only school to call and make sure you wanted to go, that's because you were a borderline acceptance for them.  The other schools didn't do that because they didn't see you as a charity case.  Case wants to be sure if they are providing charity it isn't at expense of their yields.  This is incredibly common, from T14 - T4.  Get over yourself.  Screwing a school for taking pity on you is pathetic.
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Just have to respond to this... though it risks entanglement is some stupid argument.  Case isn't just calling & admitting "borderline" "charity" cases as you put it.  In fact, for those actually watching closely, Case held onto a whole group of candidates that applied early, had numbers way above their medians, but didn't do early-decision (and often didn't write the additional 'i love case' essay). 

They are yield protecting, but not just because they don't want to admit people who would 'hurt their numbers' and then reject them.  They are just avoiding rejections, as much as possible, altogether.  It's annoying, but I understand.

(Yeah I'm going to Case, yeah, I was admitted by phone, no I don't consider myself a charity case, and they did offer me 18k a year scholarship so i guess they don't either).

I was being an ass on that "charity case" thing.  Really just trying to make a point that people shouldn't get so uppity about a school not wanting to make an offer if the person isn't going to use it.  I honestly think it's really pathetic when people take offers they openly don't plan to accept, simpky because they like how it feels to get in everywhere they apply (a stupid standard because it's all relative to where you applied.. if that makes sense).  And no, this has nothing to do with my own experience because right now i'm happy about the whole application process and outcome.

I ended up not opting for case, but still think they are a nice group of admissions people, and a great school - and them calling around is no different than what other schools are doing.  So some loser who's trying to inflate his own ego rubs me the wrong way.

My apologies for the unnecessary button pushing on calling him a charity case.  Did not mean to cast dispersions on you, name changing queen.

Hippie law chick - excellent point.  I didn't even notice what juvenile language he had stooped to, because, frankly, after his first two sentences, I could tell it was all drivel and stopped reading.

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Been accepted to all the schools I applied to, so that makes me happy.

I know I read somewhere else that someone had been accepted to Case with a phone call from someone there; the guy asked me "I'm looking at your application and just wanted to know where you're at in the law school admissions process"; I told him I had a few acceptances that I'm seriously considering, and how much they offered me. He said he's not sure about scholarship monies, but he'll ask the committee and get back to me--hopefully he'll offer something decent. Not too worried, because Iowa's where I'm set to go now, pretty much...

Anyway, I think Case is pretty lame for doing this hardcore yield protection; he wanted to know if I was still interested in attending before he'd tell me that they "have a spot" for me in the class. What a bunch of ranking whores.

Just something to think about - if you got accepted to every school you applies, you did a piss poor job of choosing schools.  Ideally you set your sights high enough that you get rejected from about 50% (which will also, typically, be the higher ranked schools).  This way you know for sure you got into the best school that you possible could.  Right now, you have to assume, that you could have gotten into a school ranked 10 places higher than your current best.  That starts pushing you into the T30, which would put you in a substantially better position (or at least help you negotiate more aid at lesser schools).

In terms of Case being the only school to call and make sure you wanted to go, that's because you were a borderline acceptance for them.  The other schools didn't do that because they didn't see you as a charity case.  Case wants to be sure if they are providing charity it isn't at expense of their yields.  This is incredibly common, from T14 - T4.  Get over yourself.  Screwing a school for taking pity on you is pathetic.

you should really stop whoring my posts...

whether I'm borderline at Case or not, I don't know. What I do know is I applied LATE in the cycle at every school (my first application wasn't complete until mid-January, and my last, which was Iowa, didn't complete until the first week in March). Iowa accepted me without putting me on hold, and I'm waitlisted there for a full-ride fellowship.

With that said, it'd be hard to believe that I'm "borderline" at Case, unless they think more of their school than USNEWS does, which is OK. Just don't go insulting me when you don't know sh*t, k?

I made a gripe--you get over yourself. You seem more pissed about my gripe than I am about Case pulling yield protection on me  :D

Additionally, I have a family to feed, so the money issue is definitely important--if Case costs me less than Iowa, then I probably would choose it over Iowa. At this point, I doubt that, seeing as a RA is possible for 2l and 3l at Iowa, which would give me their 12k a year res tuition.

As far as applying at more T14 schools...that's my choice on how I play the admissions game. If you were happy with how things resulted for you, you wouldn't be in here bitching about me. Get lost, fag.

Oh, and Case was the best school I had applied to--until Iowa invited me to apply in early February, and I said, why not? Hence my Iowa application having gone complete so late. That's why Iowa appears as such an anomaly--they came to me.

I made a post about my Iowa invitation; maybe you should check it out before you start "pigeonholing" me, tard.

I specifically enumerated AHEAD OF TIME that if you had a family to feed what I was saying did not apply.  So frankly, your attitude is misplaced.  HTH

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Given their TWO letters maybe you should send THEM one asking if THEY're still interested.

"Dear GULC,

Thank you.. competitive class. .. bla ..blah .. blah.. want to assess your interest.  If you want to remain on my list please let me know."

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