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Law School Admissions / Re: October Lsat Fee Waivers
« on: June 16, 2005, 03:56:45 PM »
I got a few the day after I received my LSAT score.  They really pick up in November and hit peak after Thanksgiving before declining in the winter.

Blah blah blah.  It's your education and if you think you don't want to spend any more time in undergrad then you certainly should not feel obligated to do so.  All that will matter in 99% of cases is your GPA and LSAT score.  I think at 19 or 20 you can decide for yourself what you need to experience socially and personally.  If you want to graduate in 2.5 years you don't need your parents or people on a message board holding your hand and telling you to stay in school.  Study for the LSAT, rock it, and you'll be where you want to be if LS is your destination.  If it turns out LS isn't where you wanted to be all along you'll still be ridiculously young and will have learned your mistakes faster than most.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: UNC Preorientation - observations
« on: June 14, 2005, 12:58:38 PM »
Extremely reassuring. I have a feeling that law school will be so much more enjoyable without the fear of busting my a$$ and still being one of the xx% dismissed due to forced attrition.

Does anyone have any more info regarding LEAP? 

I don't know much about LEAP.  I'm sure you got the letter in the mail about LEAP a week or so ago.  They basically repeated that information to us at preorientation. If you're "non traditional" in any way LEAP may help you prepare for law school.  It's something like a 3 day program that lasts all day.  They teach you how to read and brief cases and also use the Socratic Method.  It's basically very much like a law school class.  One panelist who had done LEAP said it helped her not only prepare for the start of school but also gave her a group of people to which she could relate once school started.  So, if nothing else at least you'd make some new friends before the start of school.  I think there are about 40 open spots.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: UNC Preorientation - observations
« on: June 11, 2005, 02:35:44 PM »
No they did not talk about a specific scale.  Each of the 2L's that spoke on the panel, or that I spoke to individually pretty much said everyone wants to be at the top of the class when they came in. As is typical with a forced curve, they all said they ended up with lower grades than they were ever used to receiving.  What these grades were or where the scale is set are a mystery to me.  They did say that people don't fail out of Carolina, and that academic attrition is virtually unheard of.  I'm assuming this means the curve is set somewhere around 3.0.   

No other horror stories to speak of.  Even the guy that separated from his wife told us how much he loved Carolina and was happy with his decision to attend.  There could have been any of a number of other problems that were only compounded by law school.  Another lady on the panel said that she and her husband were fine, just that they didn't have too much time for each other 1L year, which is probably to be expected.

Choosing the Right Law School / UNC Preorientation - observations
« on: June 10, 2005, 03:55:48 PM »
Well, I just got back from preorientation at UNC.  I promised a report, so here are some thoughts.

I was impressed with the turnout, seemed like we  had easily over 100 people.

We checked in at 8:30 in the law school rotunda and had an informal breakfast/chatted with some other admitted students.

After the breakfast, they took us to an auditorium and we listened to a professor speak about the "first year expectations."  He said we wouldn't remember anything he said, and in my opinion he was basically right.  I guess that's how it is with any speaker though.  I drifted in and out of attention. 

We then moved on to a Q & A with some 2 and 3L's.  This was probably the most informative aspect of the program.  Basically they informed us that UNC is not at all a cutthroat law school and that open cooperation among students is practiced and encouraged.  One student talked about how he missed a few days of class and 20 people were emailing him asking if he needed notes.  The students also mentioned that law school will take up as much space in your life as you let it.  One of the students talked about how his law school life became so hectic that he and his wife separated after first semester.  Overall, the grading is tough but the atmosphere is very collegial.  That was pretty much the take home message. UNC also has a "bar review" every Thursday where the students go out to various bars and let off some law school stress.  We had a mini bar review last night, and some of the 2L's I talked to said bar review is a big deal, especially among the younger students.

After lunch there were a few more presentations about law clinics, journal opportunities and scholarships/financial aid.  By this point I was getting sleepy and the lack of scenery change (all of the presentations were in the same room) kind of contributed to my apathy.  Basically they stressed the large amount of pro bono work done by 1L's at UNC.  Although it is not required, many students choose to do pro bono work their first year. 

That's about all.  If anyone else has anything to add or has any questions let me know.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Index Formula for UNC Chapel Hill
« on: June 03, 2005, 09:24:53 AM »
If your index is above 250 according to lawschoolnumbers you probably have a decent chance of getting admitted.  The higher you go over 250, the better your chances are, especially if you are a resident of North Carolina.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: UNC Preorientation
« on: June 03, 2005, 06:09:37 AM »
I'll be there and will be glad to offer a report. Fireplace will probably see this too.  I think he's going so maybe he'll be able to respond too.

Are you on the listserv?

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Looks like it is Wake, baby!
« on: June 02, 2005, 05:05:51 PM »
Congrats on choosing Wake.  One of my friends is starting a masters in education program there this summer.  Great school, nice campus.  Let me know if you ever wanna watch football and have some beers, haha. I'll be down the road at UNC.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: living at home?
« on: May 22, 2005, 10:32:41 AM »
I would shoot myself in the head at close range if I had to do this.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: wake v w&m
« on: May 20, 2005, 08:28:02 AM »
Kind of a tough decision you have.  You need to look up statistics about W & M's placement in North Carolina.  I imagine that it can't be that bad.  It might not have all the ties that Wake has to the state, but I think if you do a bit of work on your own you would be fine returning to NC after graduation. 

The cost is essentially the same unless you establish VA residency for William and Mary.  Unless it is really easy to do, I doubt you could do it barring a change of heart and deciding that you want to practice and reside in VA, and then you might be able to obtain residency and a 10K discount at William and Mary. 

I don't know much about Wake's career services office or even the school itself.  I've heard varying reports about it being both very helpful and very unhelpful depending on what you are looking for.  I think Wake focuses largely on big firm placement but I know nothing about William and Mary. 

I guess in the end it will come down to where you feel most comfortable geographically for the next three years.  If you really like NC Wake might be a good choice for you.  But if you want a slightly different experience and get better vibes from W & M then go there.  I doubt either way that your career will be affected as they are both pretty highly regarded.

Lastly, I'm a UNC grad.  December '04.  GO HEELS!

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