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« on: June 20, 2005, 05:49:23 PM »
Good read, thanks for the link.
This seems to apply disproportionately to those in biglaw and new associates at large firms. I think anyone considering that career path should definitely read this article.
It also helped me realize that all of this competition we see - for USNWR rankings, in law schools, for the best LSAT scores, etc... - is really just a microcosm of the profession we're entering. The entire profession is structured around money and being "the best" means being at the top and earning the most money in a high stakes game. Personally, I'm willing to trade being filthy rich for living comfortably and actually having a decent QOL. I suppose there are far too many lawyers who will not or can not make this tradeoff and they end up being a statistic described in articles like this.
« on: June 19, 2005, 09:41:16 PM »
At the end of the semester, the highest grades go to those who put in the time and effort. From what I gather, the time crunch will consume upwards of 20% of the first-year class, and they'll be too swamped to keep up.
The highest grades don't necessarily go to those who work the hardest. Some people work their asses off and end up with mediocre grades. That's why LS grading is so frustrating.
Where do you "gather" your numbers?
« on: June 16, 2005, 06:58:48 PM »
« on: June 16, 2005, 06:56:45 PM »
I got a few the day after I received my LSAT score. They really pick up in November and hit peak after Thanksgiving before declining in the winter.
« on: June 16, 2005, 06:54:35 PM »
Blah blah blah. It's your education and if you think you don't want to spend any more time in undergrad then you certainly should not feel obligated to do so. All that will matter in 99% of cases is your GPA and LSAT score. I think at 19 or 20 you can decide for yourself what you need to experience socially and personally. If you want to graduate in 2.5 years you don't need your parents or people on a message board holding your hand and telling you to stay in school. Study for the LSAT, rock it, and you'll be where you want to be if LS is your destination. If it turns out LS isn't where you wanted to be all along you'll still be ridiculously young and will have learned your mistakes faster than most.
« on: June 14, 2005, 03:58:38 PM »
Extremely reassuring. I have a feeling that law school will be so much more enjoyable without the fear of busting my a$$ and still being one of the xx% dismissed due to forced attrition.
Does anyone have any more info regarding LEAP?
I don't know much about LEAP. I'm sure you got the letter in the mail about LEAP a week or so ago. They basically repeated that information to us at preorientation. If you're "non traditional" in any way LEAP may help you prepare for law school. It's something like a 3 day program that lasts all day. They teach you how to read and brief cases and also use the Socratic Method. It's basically very much like a law school class. One panelist who had done LEAP said it helped her not only prepare for the start of school but also gave her a group of people to which she could relate once school started. So, if nothing else at least you'd make some new friends before the start of school. I think there are about 40 open spots.
« on: June 11, 2005, 05:35:44 PM »
No they did not talk about a specific scale. Each of the 2L's that spoke on the panel, or that I spoke to individually pretty much said everyone wants to be at the top of the class when they came in. As is typical with a forced curve, they all said they ended up with lower grades than they were ever used to receiving. What these grades were or where the scale is set are a mystery to me. They did say that people don't fail out of Carolina, and that academic attrition is virtually unheard of. I'm assuming this means the curve is set somewhere around 3.0.
No other horror stories to speak of. Even the guy that separated from his wife told us how much he loved Carolina and was happy with his decision to attend. There could have been any of a number of other problems that were only compounded by law school. Another lady on the panel said that she and her husband were fine, just that they didn't have too much time for each other 1L year, which is probably to be expected.
« on: June 10, 2005, 06:55:48 PM »
Well, I just got back from preorientation at UNC. I promised a report, so here are some thoughts.
I was impressed with the turnout, seemed like we had easily over 100 people.
We checked in at 8:30 in the law school rotunda and had an informal breakfast/chatted with some other admitted students.
After the breakfast, they took us to an auditorium and we listened to a professor speak about the "first year expectations." He said we wouldn't remember anything he said, and in my opinion he was basically right. I guess that's how it is with any speaker though. I drifted in and out of attention.
We then moved on to a Q & A with some 2 and 3L's. This was probably the most informative aspect of the program. Basically they informed us that UNC is not at all a cutthroat law school and that open cooperation among students is practiced and encouraged. One student talked about how he missed a few days of class and 20 people were emailing him asking if he needed notes. The students also mentioned that law school will take up as much space in your life as you let it. One of the students talked about how his law school life became so hectic that he and his wife separated after first semester. Overall, the grading is tough but the atmosphere is very collegial. That was pretty much the take home message. UNC also has a "bar review" every Thursday where the students go out to various bars and let off some law school stress. We had a mini bar review last night, and some of the 2L's I talked to said bar review is a big deal, especially among the younger students.
After lunch there were a few more presentations about law clinics, journal opportunities and scholarships/financial aid. By this point I was getting sleepy and the lack of scenery change (all of the presentations were in the same room) kind of contributed to my apathy. Basically they stressed the large amount of pro bono work done by 1L's at UNC. Although it is not required, many students choose to do pro bono work their first year.
That's about all. If anyone else has anything to add or has any questions let me know.
« on: June 03, 2005, 12:24:53 PM »
If your index is above 250 according to lawschoolnumbers you probably have a decent chance of getting admitted. The higher you go over 250, the better your chances are, especially if you are a resident of North Carolina.
« on: June 03, 2005, 09:09:37 AM »
I'll be there and will be glad to offer a report. Fireplace will probably see this too. I think he's going so maybe he'll be able to respond too.
Are you on the listserv?
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