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Current Law Students / Re: Question Members
« on: July 30, 2007, 11:34:18 AM »
Did you all buy the pocket size Blacks Law Dictionary, or did you buy the bigger book

The newest edition is included in your free Westlaw access. If you don't want to use the computer, buy the full, unabridged volume.

While Blacks Law is available through Westlaw, some law schools do not permit access to Westlaw until you are well into the semester.  I suggest the unabridged volume.  You will need it during your first readings anyway.

Current Law Students / Re: 12 Hours A DAY?
« on: July 30, 2007, 10:57:42 AM »
I am humbled by your majesty.  All knowing +L's.

Lawgirl442 was correct.  that is why I started with "no experience here".  I wouldn't presume to tell anyone how to handle thier studies even when I'm a 3L.  I can only express my personal experience, and how I will start my L.S. experience. For all I know I may end up asking my dog for study advice in the end.

Wait, so correct me if I'm wrong, but you are giving advice and are not even in law school?  Hilarious.  These forums crack me up.
   So you never take advice from a layman? Advice on cars from a non-mechanic,  advice on fitness and diet from a healthy friend, advice on clothing from yo mamma?  You lead quite a sheltered life kid.
Anyone, not a lawyer, ever tell you how to beat a ticket, or draft a contract?  nuff said.

"Nuff said," and PSU law.  I'll leave it at that.

How professional of you.

I'm about to start 1L at a top tier school. I have heard that it is very tough and that the homework and reading is heavy. Can anyone give me an idea of how heavy?

Also, I am considering a part-time job teaching an LSAT class for Kaplan. I have heard though that having a part-time job will put me at a significant disadvantage because of the enormous work load 1L bestows upon its students.

Any experiences or advice you can share with me?

You might also want to check on your school policies regarding full-time students having employment.  If I remember right, the ABA has rules against full-time students working more than 20 hours a week outside of school.  I am also not aware if this is still in effect, or how strictly it is enforced.

First off, don't necessarily count on hard work getting you anywhere near the top of your class.  Iit really depends on how close you and the instructor are in terms of views and approaches.  I've seen students with a firm grasp of the material fall flat on their ass because they and the instructor differed on interpretations of the law or formatting of exam responses or whatever.

Given this, my number one piece of advice is to visit your professor as often as possible.  What I did was write down a list of questions from the day's reading assignment and take them to the professor in office hours.  Not only does this help you clarify the more confusing points of the material, but you can see how the professor approaches the subject.  My property professor, for instance, was focused heavily on policy implications.  I made sure I studied up on those aspects of her class, and sure enough I got the only A+ on the final.

As for outlining, there's no harm in starting the outlines early provided you rework what you've written as the term goes.  If you choose to start the outline at the beginning of the term, be willing to reorganize it whenever you add new sections.  I found the constant exposure to the material combined with the need to try and fit whatever I'd just learned into the structure of my outline really helped me understand and remember things when finals came.

Other than that, just do practice exams and see if you can get your professor to look over your answers.  Again, its really all about understanding what they want to see on an exam and giving it to them. 

On a slightly different, as a transfer student to my current university my advice on that is to apply early and don't give up hope if your first term grades aren't what you'd hoped.  I was only top 40% my first term, but I managed to up my GPA substantially the second term and now I'm going to a top 20 school.  Hell, even if you're not near the top of your class you can still likely transfer.  I had a friend who was barely top 50% and she's now at Cardozo.

Hope that helps, and good luck to ya!

As this post clearly demonstrates my overall point from earlier, do what you feel is necessary.  I have never, in my two years of law school, visited a professor in their office about class material or how to take their exams.  It will work for some people, but not for others.

Current Law Students / Re: 12 Hours A DAY?
« on: July 25, 2007, 04:41:18 AM »
Kilroy, if you don't mind sharing, what were your stats? (LSAT/UGPA) Maybe innate ability comes into play more than we realize.

lol.  That is funny.  If you go by my stats, I was a pretty average student in undergrad.  LSAT 160 UGPA 2.7

I was a chemistry and history double major. 

Ok then  :) Your LSAT score was in the top 25% of the incoming 1L's though - perhaps that gave you an advantage in terms of class rank. In either case, I feel better about the time commitment associated with law school after talking to you  :)

I don't mean to belittle people, because law school does take many hours of hard work.  I just have never known anyone to spend 12 hours a day studying.  I probably do study 8 to 10 hours a day during exam week.  When I was writing my final briefs and memos for writing class, I probably did spend several hours a day, but these instances were the exception.  On average, I spent 3 to 4 hours a day.  Then I socialized with all the other law students who didn't employ the 12 hours a day theory of labor.  I prefer not to be around the library rats who do nothing but read, brief and complain about their work.  They just cause unnecessary stress.

I'm also married (Though married, I am in my 20s), which gives me a strong desire to get all of my work done before six every evening.  I enjoy going to football games, so I like my weekends.  I get a lot of my work done on fridays, so I don't have to do anything on saturday and sunday.  As I have stated numerous times before in other postings, do what you feel is necessary.  But, if you can manage to treat law school like a job and manage your time efficiently, life will be better.

Current Law Students / Re: 12 Hours A DAY?
« on: July 24, 2007, 12:34:03 PM »
Kilroy, if you don't mind sharing, what were your stats? (LSAT/UGPA) Maybe innate ability comes into play more than we realize.

lol.  That is funny.  If you go by my stats, I was a pretty average student in undergrad.  LSAT 160 UGPA 2.7

I was a chemistry and history double major. 

Current Law Students / Re: 12 Hours A DAY?
« on: July 24, 2007, 11:20:31 AM »
Does for me.  How long are you people in class?  I was in class 1L at most 3 hours a day.  Then maybe 3 to 4 of studying, but as I have said before different strokes for different folks.  Or maybe all of you are just horribly inefficient.

Current Law Students / Re: Bluebook test for law review
« on: July 24, 2007, 04:28:29 AM »
I didn't read it straight through but I read it in sections as needed so I ended up reading the whole thing. On some strange level, I actually enjoyed the Bluebook exercises for Law Review. They were like dork puzzles for people who have no life.

And are completely pointless to memorize since they have no actual value to the practice of law.

Current Law Students / Re: 12 Hours A DAY?
« on: July 23, 2007, 11:57:37 AM »
If someone says they are studying 12 hours a day, they are more likely studying 3 to 5 and wasting the other 9 screwing off.  If you are efficient and we are talking not during exams, 5 hours a day tops.

People at the bottom of the class play alot of computer or console games and watch cartoon network.

No they don't.  I play all of these, and I am not in the bottom.  I actually think people in the top of the class play a lot of games, because they are efficient and know how to relax.

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