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General Board / Re: Question Members
« on: July 30, 2007, 02:34:18 PM »
Did you all buy the pocket size Blacks Law Dictionary, or did you buy the bigger book

The newest edition is included in your free Westlaw access. If you don't want to use the computer, buy the full, unabridged volume.

While Blacks Law is available through Westlaw, some law schools do not permit access to Westlaw until you are well into the semester.  I suggest the unabridged volume.  You will need it during your first readings anyway.

Studying and Exam Taking / Re: 12 Hours A DAY?
« on: July 30, 2007, 01:57:42 PM »
I am humbled by your majesty.  All knowing +L's.

Lawgirl442 was correct.  that is why I started with "no experience here".  I wouldn't presume to tell anyone how to handle thier studies even when I'm a 3L.  I can only express my personal experience, and how I will start my L.S. experience. For all I know I may end up asking my dog for study advice in the end.

Wait, so correct me if I'm wrong, but you are giving advice and are not even in law school?  Hilarious.  These forums crack me up.
   So you never take advice from a layman? Advice on cars from a non-mechanic,  advice on fitness and diet from a healthy friend, advice on clothing from yo mamma?  You lead quite a sheltered life kid.
Anyone, not a lawyer, ever tell you how to beat a ticket, or draft a contract?  nuff said.

"Nuff said," and PSU law.  I'll leave it at that.

How professional of you.

I'm about to start 1L at a top tier school. I have heard that it is very tough and that the homework and reading is heavy. Can anyone give me an idea of how heavy?

Also, I am considering a part-time job teaching an LSAT class for Kaplan. I have heard though that having a part-time job will put me at a significant disadvantage because of the enormous work load 1L bestows upon its students.

Any experiences or advice you can share with me?

You might also want to check on your school policies regarding full-time students having employment.  If I remember right, the ABA has rules against full-time students working more than 20 hours a week outside of school.  I am also not aware if this is still in effect, or how strictly it is enforced.

First off, don't necessarily count on hard work getting you anywhere near the top of your class.  Iit really depends on how close you and the instructor are in terms of views and approaches.  I've seen students with a firm grasp of the material fall flat on their ass because they and the instructor differed on interpretations of the law or formatting of exam responses or whatever.

Given this, my number one piece of advice is to visit your professor as often as possible.  What I did was write down a list of questions from the day's reading assignment and take them to the professor in office hours.  Not only does this help you clarify the more confusing points of the material, but you can see how the professor approaches the subject.  My property professor, for instance, was focused heavily on policy implications.  I made sure I studied up on those aspects of her class, and sure enough I got the only A+ on the final.

As for outlining, there's no harm in starting the outlines early provided you rework what you've written as the term goes.  If you choose to start the outline at the beginning of the term, be willing to reorganize it whenever you add new sections.  I found the constant exposure to the material combined with the need to try and fit whatever I'd just learned into the structure of my outline really helped me understand and remember things when finals came.

Other than that, just do practice exams and see if you can get your professor to look over your answers.  Again, its really all about understanding what they want to see on an exam and giving it to them. 

On a slightly different, as a transfer student to my current university my advice on that is to apply early and don't give up hope if your first term grades aren't what you'd hoped.  I was only top 40% my first term, but I managed to up my GPA substantially the second term and now I'm going to a top 20 school.  Hell, even if you're not near the top of your class you can still likely transfer.  I had a friend who was barely top 50% and she's now at Cardozo.

Hope that helps, and good luck to ya!

As this post clearly demonstrates my overall point from earlier, do what you feel is necessary.  I have never, in my two years of law school, visited a professor in their office about class material or how to take their exams.  It will work for some people, but not for others.

Pennsylvania State / Re: Class of 2010
« on: July 25, 2007, 11:04:11 AM »
Did anyone else find the email from financial aid just a tad bit insulting to their adult sensibilities? 

Don't get me wrong.  I do find such sage advice as "Using the library instead of bookstores and movie rental stores and brown-bagging your lunch are a couple of simple ways to keep your expenses low" incredibly compelling. I think, however, that anyone capable of completing an undergraduate degree, then completing the process of applying and getting accepted to law school will be able to solve such complex financial conundrums without the emails from mommy reminding them to save money.  I fully expect further emails along the line with tips such as "studying hard and attending class are sure ways to improve your grade point average," and "leaving a little early in the morning is a fun and easy way to make sure that you are on time for class."  Perhaps we could hire a medical consultant to write to us that "eating right and getting more sleep are a few simple cures for law school exhaustion."  How could we possible navigate the maze of 1L without such sound little notes from the pen of experience?

Okay, rant over.  I feel better now.

You will never get emails telling your to arrive to class ontime, only the financial aid department feels the need to treat you like a child -- and career services will too, but that is necessary.

And while I agree that this particular email seemed condescending, you will find very shortly that law school, like every other level of education, has its share of idiots. (You will discover that there are students in law school that have no idea how a bill becomes law, trust me.  Or, have no basic idea of the federal judiciary, things I thought every law student should know before they arrived)  But having said that, many students are fresh from undergraduate who have never lived outside mommy and daddy's protection.  I was shocked recently by a fellow 3L asking me how much he/she should borrow for living expenses because he/she never had to pay them before now.  Considering the sizable amount of money it costs to go to PSU, you should feel happy that financial aid attempts to in every way help you figure out how to save money. 

Studying and Exam Taking / Re: 12 Hours A DAY?
« on: July 25, 2007, 07:41:18 AM »
Kilroy, if you don't mind sharing, what were your stats? (LSAT/UGPA) Maybe innate ability comes into play more than we realize.

lol.  That is funny.  If you go by my stats, I was a pretty average student in undergrad.  LSAT 160 UGPA 2.7

I was a chemistry and history double major. 

Ok then  :) Your LSAT score was in the top 25% of the incoming 1L's though - perhaps that gave you an advantage in terms of class rank. In either case, I feel better about the time commitment associated with law school after talking to you  :)

I don't mean to belittle people, because law school does take many hours of hard work.  I just have never known anyone to spend 12 hours a day studying.  I probably do study 8 to 10 hours a day during exam week.  When I was writing my final briefs and memos for writing class, I probably did spend several hours a day, but these instances were the exception.  On average, I spent 3 to 4 hours a day.  Then I socialized with all the other law students who didn't employ the 12 hours a day theory of labor.  I prefer not to be around the library rats who do nothing but read, brief and complain about their work.  They just cause unnecessary stress.

I'm also married (Though married, I am in my 20s), which gives me a strong desire to get all of my work done before six every evening.  I enjoy going to football games, so I like my weekends.  I get a lot of my work done on fridays, so I don't have to do anything on saturday and sunday.  As I have stated numerous times before in other postings, do what you feel is necessary.  But, if you can manage to treat law school like a job and manage your time efficiently, life will be better.

Studying and Exam Taking / Re: 12 Hours A DAY?
« on: July 24, 2007, 03:34:03 PM »
Kilroy, if you don't mind sharing, what were your stats? (LSAT/UGPA) Maybe innate ability comes into play more than we realize.

lol.  That is funny.  If you go by my stats, I was a pretty average student in undergrad.  LSAT 160 UGPA 2.7

I was a chemistry and history double major. 

Studying and Exam Taking / Re: 12 Hours A DAY?
« on: July 24, 2007, 02:20:31 PM »
Does for me.  How long are you people in class?  I was in class 1L at most 3 hours a day.  Then maybe 3 to 4 of studying, but as I have said before different strokes for different folks.  Or maybe all of you are just horribly inefficient.

General Board / Re: Bluebook test for law review
« on: July 24, 2007, 07:28:29 AM »
I didn't read it straight through but I read it in sections as needed so I ended up reading the whole thing. On some strange level, I actually enjoyed the Bluebook exercises for Law Review. They were like dork puzzles for people who have no life.

And are completely pointless to memorize since they have no actual value to the practice of law.

Pennsylvania State / Re: Class of 2010
« on: July 23, 2007, 04:44:09 PM »
Pretty much.  Some people will start preparing their resume in November (most wait until after exams), and have it ready before the holidays to send out in mass over break and in January.  OCI stuff for 1Ls will start up in January and run until March.  But if you do not get a job through on-campus or resume collect, do not be disheartened.  Many students I know didn't have a summer job until April, and many more went into May.  Personally, I didn't have a summer job until April.

But, I forgot that the semester ends later this coming fall due to the elimination of fall break for a week at Thanksgiving.  So, I am not sure how that may affect the whole 1L process.  I am assuming not much.

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