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Current Law Students / Re: Clerkship chances?
« on: March 06, 2008, 01:32:59 PM »
I am trying to figure out if I have any shot at a federal district court clerkship. Is there a board or blog like the transfer students page with numbers and school rank ect?

I am in the top 8% at a low T2. Secondary journal, no chances at publication, extern for a federal district court during 2L year, nothing too special.

Any thoughts? Is anyone else thinking about applying? It seems like a lot of work!

Without a connection, you have almost no shot whatsoever.

Wow, I love people who have no idea what the are talking about.

Current Law Students / Re: Clerkship chances?
« on: March 06, 2008, 01:29:29 PM »
I'll be clerking for a federal district stats are pretty much what yours are, and I too go to a lower T2 school.  Find judges who went to your law school.  They tend to favor graduates of their law school.  Also, I would stick to judges in the state where your law school is located.  The reputation of law school can carry you in that state.  Lastly, many federal district judges will not hire their externs/interns as clerks.  So, the judge you are currently working for, most likely, would not hire you. 

It goes on at pretty much every school outside the T14.  Lots, and I do mean, lots of schools manipulate LSAT and GPAs by placing people into their part-time program then elevate them to full-time after first year.  It is a common practice, which is one of the many reasons why US News rankings tell you little outside the T14.

Current Law Students / Re: Why is outlining necessary?
« on: November 07, 2007, 05:38:16 AM »
Just do whatever you want and see how it works.  Everyone studies differently.  Do what works.  I personally never started outlining until after classes had ended.  The actual process of typing up an outline causes you to think through the material.  Everybody has there own different way of doing things.  Most people I know start after thanksgiving, but that is them.  Good luck to you.

Wow, they passed the bar.  Most any law school can get 70 to 80% of their first-time taker students to pass the bar.  What makes a schools reputation is how those students handle the actual practice of law.  Because, as we all know, the bar has nothing to do with the actual practice of law. 

But, congrats to Liberty students.  I wish them all well.

Current Law Students / Re: Federal Clerk: how hard to land?
« on: September 20, 2007, 09:51:05 PM »
Besides "extremely," how hard is to land a federal district court clerkship? I am around top 10% (my school doesn't tell you exactly where you stand) and on law review at one of the 3 schools in the Philadelphia area which are ranked between 65-75 in USNews. What kind of chance would I have at landing one of these gigs (for either D.N.J or E.D.PA) with these credentials?

Also, what else should I be doing/joining to improve my chances? I guess the number one thing would be to try to get my LR article published? Should I try to get a research position with a professor or would that be considered only marginally if at all? Teaching assistant?

Any help or inside knowledge greatly appreciated.

As someone who just landed a federal district court clerkship, I will give you want I learned from the whole process.  It all has to do with where you went to law school, and where the judge went.  Apply to judges that went to your law school.  You didn't go to UPenn, judging by your post -- so I imagine you are either at Villanova, Temple or Rutgers.  So, you have one (if you are at 'Nova) that I know off the top of my head on the COA, Judge Rendell.  Apply to her.  Seek out and find the other judges that graduated from your law school, and apply to all of them.  Get recommendations from two profs, and one boss.  Most profs will write you great references.  If you can, work for a professor as a research assistant -- most judges like this.  I can almost guarantee you that unless you are number 1 in your class or the judge went to your law school, there is little point in applying outside of PA or Jersey.  Most judges in other states will hire from their own law school or the T14 schools.  These people get hundreds of apps from students who did just as well as you and went to better known, not necessarily better, law school.  So, you can imagine how this plays out.  If Judge A has 100 apps, and he plans on interviewing 10.  You went to Temple, 'Nova or Rutgers.  He went to Virginia.  Why would he interview you when he has apps from students with the same grades but went to Virginia, Penn, Georgetown, Yale, Stanford etc...  Exactly, he wouldn't.  That is my advice.  I hope it doesn't crush your dreams.  You have the grades.  I am sure you will get a shot at a few, and if you do remember to go all out in the interview.  It may be your only shot.  Good luck!     

So it's my first week and I am being assigned like 8-9 cases a night to brief. Should I actually be doing that though? It takes like all day to brief that many cases and after that, I have no time for anything else. Most of my professors claim that participation will affect our grades though.

Yep, it sucks.  But it is your first week.  You will get faster, and eventually you might decide that briefing is pointless.  While I never brief, now, it took me awhile to get everything down.  Once you know how to work better and more efficiently, you will have your free time back.

To reiterate previous posters: Do not do anything to prepare. Prep course are worthless. Ignore what other people are doing. Try to figure out, once you start school, what works best for you. Typically, people will brief cases for the first couple weeks/months and then quit. I stopped after a week or two--but some people continue to do it into 3L because it helps them in class and for outlining. I, however, am a believer that case briefs may be valuable at the beginning because they help you understand important information; i.e., if you spend to much time on them, you won't have enough time to do other subjects. But, after about a week or two, they became worthless to me.

Exactly.  I stopped briefing after week 2.  Took up way too much time, and in the end I felt pretty worthless.  But great in the beginning just so you can understand what is important, and what isn't. 

First thing: don't listen to anything that another 0L tells you that you should know. That includes people at your school AND the number of 0Ls who will invariably post on this thread to tell you what you should have already read.

YOU DON'T NEED TO "KNOW" ANYTHING TO START LAW SCHOOL. Except knowing how to read, speak, and think critically. The school will teach you the rest. Plan to work hard the first few weeks and watch as the people who prepped before school started lose their "edge" almost immediately.

If anyone at orientation starts to tell you about how much prep they did for school, excuse yourself to the restroom, get a drink, and find someone else to talk to who isn't a gunner.

Fantastic advice.  Only listen to yourself, and do not even pay attention to what others do.  Who cares!  It is your education.

And I knew plenty of people who thought they knew everything...they are no longer in law school because they flunked out or couldn't handle it, or they were suddenly quiet all the time.  We had a transfer last fall who thought he was the *&^%.  He ran his mouth all the time about how  much work he does etc...  He was suddenly quiet, and very low key last semester.  Everyone does things differently, things can change quickly.  Do what you feel is necessary.  Ignore what anyone tells you if it goes against how you do things(except professors of course).  And just relax, and enjoy the rest of your summer.

Current Law Students / Re: Definitions you wished you knew going into 1L
« on: August 03, 2007, 11:21:46 AM »
HLS actually came up with their own list of words they believe 1Ls should become familiar with.

wow, it is amazing how I use all of those words everyday now, and yet 2 years ago I couldn't keep appellee and appellant straight.  Very cool

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