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Transferring / Re: Top 15% at T2, where should I apply?
« on: June 04, 2007, 08:28:57 AM »
Assuming your rank is where you say it is, and they have seats open.  I think both schools would easily take you.

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I did nothing over the summers.  I relaxed over my summer.  I only do work during the week and Sunday evenings.  I never, except during exams, did work on Saturday or on Friday evenings.  I know, including myself, several people in the top 10% of my class.  Most of them never took a course before school, but each of us kept up the entire semester.  I have never been unprepared for class.  I am about to enter my third year.  I have never passed when called on.  I think this is the key to doing well.  Be prepared all semester long.  Keep up with your reading.  I also didn't go out during the week.  I came home when classes ended, got right to work, and I was usually done by 6pm so I could relax the rest of evening and get a good nights sleep for the next day.  I treat law school like a job.  I get up at 7, I am at school in class by 8 or 9.  I work all day until 5 or 6.  This kept me on a routine, and keeps me disciplined. 

The other thing I did was wait until the end of semester to outline.  I know people who outline all semester.  They tend to be in the middle or bottom of my class.  I believe that if you outline all semester you are missing the big picture.  If you wait until November to start outlining, you are far better able to put things together in a manner that is logical and allows of easier reading.  Also, the act of typing out an outline forces you to learn it as you type it.  Things you are not sure on, you can spend more time on.  Things your know well, you can type it and then move on.  I think this helps you more at the end of a semester rather than all semester. 

Lastly, I keep things in perspective.  I largely believe that law students are drama queens, and enjoy playing the role of the stressed out student.  Can it be stressful? Hell yes.  But, it can be managed.  Most of the time it is going through the motions.  This outlook has worked for me.  Will it work for everyone, no.  My best advice is do what you feel is necessary.  Listen to no one else but yourself.  Pay no attention to how much time your classmates spend on doing things.  If 2 hours is all you need, good for you.  If you need more time to study, great then do it.  Don't change how you do things because your classmates may have spend 3 hours on two cases, while your spent an hour.  If you feel you know it, then you are fine.  But, also don't be afraid to be flexible.  If something isn't working, change what you are doing until it works.  Most of all, learn to relax.  I believe that alone will help you more than anything.         

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Current Law Students / Re: judicial intern
« on: June 01, 2007, 01:37:58 PM »
Couldn't hurt.  If anything, your writing will improve so when you take seminars your grades will improve.

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Job Search / Re: When to start sending off 2L summer applications?
« on: June 01, 2007, 01:37:00 PM »
My school's career services office isn't the best. I don't trust much of what they say. For example, they said to wait until after I had 1L grades (late January) before sending off 1L job applications.
Let me guess... you attend the University of Florida?  You are not the first person I've heard complaining about their career services for that same reason.

Was I the other person you're thinking of? If not, add me to the list. Career services is pretty miserable at UF... there aren't many of us at UF who post here, and none of us were happy with the career services. Funny how people who can't "do" get to tell us how to. At risk of outing myself, I went in for a mock interview, and the girl who was supposed to be interviewing me spent the entire time telling me how low the odds of me actually getting a job were and how I shouldn't get my hopes up. Yikes.
I don't remember who it was.  I don't think their mistake should hurt overall career prospects.  How many people get offers from a large firm that they worked for 1L summer?  However, their advice on 1L summer should get someone fired.  No advice is better than that.  They practically sabotage their students' chances of landing at a large firm as 1Ls.

You start getting things ready now, the sooner the better.  Send things off starting around Aug 1.  Some government agencies have deadlines at the end of july.  Don't put it off. 

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Job Search / Re: Substantive work after 1L?
« on: June 01, 2007, 01:30:00 PM »
  She busted her butt off, got lucky with some people higher ranked transferring out to where when all was said and done she got into the Top 10%.
I hadn't considered that possibility. Good to go! ;D

Oh yeah, this is exactlty how a lot of people get into it.  Also, people who were tops first semester, at least at my law school, can easily drop off second semester because you have 1 extra class that someone else in your class just gets.  I happen to be better at Con law courses than most in my class, so having Con law helped me out.  I was actually Top 15%, so going from that to 10% wasn't that huge a leap.  My GPA went up after second semester 2L by only 3 hundredths of a point (.03).  But I moved 10 spots, so I was suddenly into the Top 7.5% or some number like that.  I attribute my move, not from studying or working any harder because 3 hundredths of a point isn't that huge a grade difference, but from just drop off of people at the top.  But, as I stated this was all in first year.  My grades since have kept my rank at the same place.  I moved up one whole spot last semester, although my GPA dropped ever so slighly.  We are talking only a few hundredths of a point separating people.  People who do well and get it, will usully get it always.  They may have a class or two that they are not the best at, but by and large if the top in the class doesn't get, the people at the bottom don't either.  It is a vicious cycle.  But, I am in no way saying slack off.  Because the second you slack off and your grades drop, you have screwed yourself.  Wait to slack during the second semester 3rd year, where it will definitely not matter anymore.  Well for most people at least.

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Job Search / Re: Substantive work after 1L?
« on: June 01, 2007, 12:07:06 PM »
  Most employers respect this prohibition because they all realize, like everyone else, that first semester 1L is make or break.  It is rough to realize it, but after my 4th semester of grades which just came in, you will pretty much stay the same from where you were after your first year. 

Could you elaborate on why the fall 1L semester is make or break? I'm a rising 2L, and did okay my first semester. I have half the grades from my second sem, and it looks like I did slightly worse, thereby dashing my Dean's List hopes. Are grades really all that irrelevant after 1L?
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Well I think so, and so do most people I work for.  I actually just had a talk with my boss today, and she commented on how I should be set for honors and everything else.  She told me her situation where after her first semester she was 40th in the class.  She busted her butt off, got lucky with some people higher ranked transferring out to where when all was said and done she got into the Top 10%.  But you have to remember being 40th and moving up to 20th, thus being in the top 10% at a school graduating 200, isn't all huge a leap.  But she did most of this "jump" during her second semester 1st year.  My corporations professor said our grades should be indicative of what we have gotten all through law school, because people usually don't move all that much.  Now, I am not saying that someone outside the Top 10% cannot get into after the first year.  There are always those people who are the exception to the rule.  But, by and large, most people's rank will not change dramatically after their first year.  I think for two reasons.  1) People who are in the top of the class are afraid they will lose it, so they tend to work hard to make sure they keep it. 2) People who are not high ranked get discouraged or accept there rank, and stop worrying about it. 

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Transferring / Re: Top 10% at a T40 school
« on: June 01, 2007, 05:41:53 AM »
Yes, I have all my grades.

Your prediction seems a bit hopeful to me. I am (I'm pretty sure) near the bottom of the top 10%. Are you sure that your friends who transferred to UVA etc. weren't in the top 1-3%?

Also, how do you not know you are "at the bottom" of the 10%?  It is pretty easy to find out.  Do the math.

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Transferring / Re: Top 10% at a T40 school
« on: June 01, 2007, 05:40:57 AM »
Yes, I have all my grades.

Your prediction seems a bit hopeful to me. I am (I'm pretty sure) near the bottom of the top 10%. Are you sure that your friends who transferred to UVA etc. weren't in the top 1-3%?

Yeah, some of them were outside top 10% and transferred to schools like GULC.  Transferring isn't all grades sometimes.  I had a friend whose husband got transferred to Philly, her grades were very good but outside 10%, she was 15%.  But she had a good reason to transfer, so UPenn took her.  But UVA is pretty hard on transfers.   

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Transferring / Re: Top 10% at a T40 school
« on: May 31, 2007, 02:04:51 PM »
Definitely in the 5-10 range, not top 5%.

Realistically, what are my transfer options.

thanks.

I assume you have all your grades, otherwise that is a bold statement.  Where do you go?  Any Top 100 school with those grades, you pretty much can go anywhere.  I go to PSU-DSL, and knew many people in the Top 10% who transferred to GULC, UPenn, Wake and UVA.

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Job Search / Re: Substantive work after 1L?
« on: May 31, 2007, 01:55:00 PM »
This entire conversation is ridiculous.  You are trying to get advice from people about hypothetical 1L summer jobs when you haven't even started law school.  No offense, you could fail out your first semester, discover you hate law school or be in the middle of your class.  I wouldn't worry about your summer job quite yet.  Wait until you see if law school is really for you and how you do, then stress about finding a job. 
You can't plan that way.  Now is the time to think about 1l summer.  You should have a 3,5, and 10 year plan.  You shoud revise your plan periodically.  You should be flexible but have an idea of where you would like this to end up.  If you plan and end up dropping out, fine.  At least you had a plan.  If you don't plan and choose to stay with it then, summer 1l, you'll be lifeguarding while everyone else is getting experience, resume building, and re-evaluating thier plans.


It is well and all to think about what you might want to do your first summer, but you are prohibited by the ABA and your law school from looking before December 1st of your first semester.  Most employers respect this prohibition because they all realize, like everyone else, that first semester 1L is make or break.  It is rough to realize it, but after my 4th semester of grades which just came in, you will pretty much stay the same from where you were after your first year.  Having 5 a year plan is great and all, but they are not worth stressing over.  The things you should be worrying about is goofing off the rest of the summer, enjoying yourself because 2.5 months from now the reading, briefing and studying begins, and doesn't stop for 16 weeks.

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