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Great advice! What have some of your favorite study tools been? IE: LEEWS, E&E's, flashcards, etc?

Thanks.

I don't use them, waste of time.  You could be using that time to learn the law and relax.  Supplements are great for those who need them, but they are just that, supplements.

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Transferring / Re: UVA to....?
« on: June 11, 2007, 10:14:08 AM »
Well, after a delightful first year, with many ups and downs, it looks like I'm going to wind up just inside the top 10% at UVA (assuming a final grade is not a disaster). Hence my question: would it be at all worthwhile to try to move into one of the top 5 schools? And for that matter, is it even possible? The yahoo group doesn't have much info for my situation.

I have a strong interest in teaching one day... and since UVA only takes the top 8% or so onto law review, and the write-on is no guarentee, I feel like I might have a better shot at one of those schools.

Thoughts?

Go away your annoying prick.  You go to UVa, you are in the Top 10% -- you are set.  Stop bragging.

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Current Law Students / Re: upper level classes
« on: June 08, 2007, 09:46:28 AM »
Evidence is annoying, it is the most challenging course so far.  It is on par with Civ. Pro.  All you are doing is taking facts and applying the relevant rule.  It is pretty straight forward.  It can be difficult and confusing at times, like Civ. Pro.

UCC classes are generally difficult, especially Article 2 courses.  But, I found article 2 refreshing compared to contracts.

Corporations or whatever business organization class can be fairly complicated, especially if you get into technical matters in various states.  The difference in derivative suits from NY, Delaware and PA.  The BJR stuff and exceptions can get complicated, as is insider trading.  But by and large, not too bad.

For me the hardest upper level courses so far have been Tax, Evidence and Corporations.  All the others have been difficult and take time, but not impossible.  But if you look at my grades, Tax, Evidence and Corporations would appear to the be easiest, but I think this is because they freaked me out so badly that I worked my ass off to do well.

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Current Law Students / Re: What happens if I quit my 1L job
« on: June 08, 2007, 09:12:50 AM »
Why are you learning to be a lawyer?  You may have to work hard on occassion, and do work when you would rather be relaxing.  If you quit, it will haunt you.  Especially if any future employer finds out it was because it was just too hard, or too busy or I would rather just relax.  Quit the class, get over it and work.  Otherwise you might want to look into a different profession if hard work and long hours is too much for you.

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My first summer they did not call.  But my current employer did check both of my references.

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Current Law Students / Re: judicial intern
« on: June 07, 2007, 09:04:02 AM »
i did paralegal work for a couple years and so I don't see myself benefitting (outside of the connections themselves) from a firm clerkship after the first year.

I was thinking either a judical externship OR (one thing ppl haven't mentioned) studying abroad after the first year.  That could free up some of the class load and maybe enable me to get professional experience in say the 3rd year, when I might know have things narrowed down?

Does that sound like its on the right track? (anyone's .02 appreciated - thanks)

If you can find a job your first summer, you should do it.  Every interview I went on asked about my job from last summer.  Granted, I had a job, so I am not sure if they would have asked me if I didn't.  But with one exception, the people I knew who went abroad are not the tops in our class.

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Current Law Students / Re: How important is case briefing?
« on: June 06, 2007, 08:54:43 AM »
I stopped briefing second semester and I definitely think my grades improved as a result of the more efficient use of my time. Briefing is a waste and it's tedious as all hell. Spend your time learning the black letter law and you'll be fine.

I was unaware there was such a thing as black letter law.  Brief if you need too, don't if you don't.  Decide for yourself once you are there.

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Current Law Students / Re: How important is case briefing?
« on: June 05, 2007, 02:04:06 PM »
Well like I have said in other posts, it all depends on what you need to do to learn.  I personally never brief.  I briefed 3 cases in my law school career.  After the first day of class my first year, I decided it was a collosal waste of my time.  I can't even say I book brief, but I suppose I do put notes in the margins and highlight some points.  I don't think it is a fluke that the person you heard is in the Top 10%.  I am at my school, and I don't brief.  I know several others who are the same way.  But I do have to outline, and I take extensive notes in class.

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Current Law Students / Re: Challenging a grade?
« on: June 04, 2007, 12:38:39 PM »
At my law school, I have heard of only one successful challenge and that occurred this year.  The class did not have anonymous grading since a presentation, seminar for local community people and a paper were the final.  The professor gave As to the people involved with her clinic, even if they didn't show up to class but once a week, and the rest she handed out randomly.  Well, she ended up screwing a 3L who was on the cusp of getting into our honors society.  Now, of course, this 3L could have waited until the end of spring to see if she still made the honor society because you have 2 opportunities to make it.  But she was pissed, challenged the grade.  But, the professor and the dean offered only pass/fail not actually changing the grade since it would screw the curve.   

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I second kilroy's advice on relaxing. I went to into law school expecting to have to work my butt off 24/7 in order to make good grades. I soon found out that's not only NOT necessary, but also counter productive. Treat law school like a job. Put in 8 hours a day and call it quits. I had enough time to start a blog and write posts everyday and I'm in the top 10% of my class.

I did some reading the summer before 1L started. I felt it help in some classes and in others not so much. For example, my torts teacher's lectures went along perfect with Example's and Explanations, while my Contracts teacher was all over the place. Plus she had her OWN interpretation of contract law that was in many cases completely different than the E&E. When using supplements, remember that they're just that- a supplement. If you want to succeed in law school, tell the teacher what they want to hear, not what commercial outline says.

My final bit of advice is to do as many practice tests as you can starting in the middle of the semester. Law school exams aren't not only about what you know, but whether you can tell your professor what you know in a certain amount of time. This skill takes practice. So do as much of it as you can.

I forgot to mention practice tests.  I do those as well.  If at all possible, never go into an exam without seeing a previous exam your professor has written.  This isn't always possible.  I had a professor during the fall that outright refused to make old exams available, because he believed you should go into it not knowing. 

You are spot on about too much time being counter productive.

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