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Denials / Re: It's Officially Over
« on: May 01, 2005, 03:42:32 PM »
I still laugh at all the posts in the 'acceptances'category that are threads that have nothing to do with acceptances.  Just despaerate people scrambling for anything to hold on to that keeps them from realizing that they will only get into TTTs, and will go on to mediocre carreers in law. 


There are people out there who consider anything outside the T14 a third tier toilet.  They think anyone attending less than a T14 will (how did you put it?) go on to mediocre careers in law.  So what makes you think that YOU are better than someone who is going to a t3 or t4?  Just because your manager did nothing with his JD does not mean that all people who get their JDs from t3 or t4 schools are not driven enough to do something fantastic with their degrees.  A lot of people have suggested to you to retake your LSAT, I agree.  There is something terribly flawed with the logic that because *John Doe* went to *School X* and did not go on to a great legal career, ALL people who go to *School X* will not go on to great legal careers.

Yeah I mean I find it beyond ridiculous how some people act like if you're not going to a T14 and hey maybe even a T10 the rest of your life is pretty much ruined.  I mean I'm going to American and I've already heard lots of slack because its the 3rd (or some say 4th) ranked school in DC.  But it's also a Tier 1 with a number of top ranked specialties.  I mean I know people who went to law schools that didn't even make Tier 4 and now have very successfully and lucrative carears.  If your entire goal in life is to make it into one of these huge nationally known law firms then yeah a T3 or T4 is going to make that pretty difficult, but that is literally a sliver of the legal market out there.  I have to say I was an art history major in college, which is basically considered to be one of the most useless degrees around.  When I went into the job market I was terrified that I was virtually unemployable, but it wasn't true at all.  I got good jobs in law firms and am currently working on an FDA clinical study and I think having a slightly different degree helped me get into law school.  People need to calm down and realize there isn't this cookie cutter path to getting a good job or being successful. Work hard, make connections and do what you love, because that's probably what your best at anyway.  Everyone needs to calm down.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Single Sex Law Schools?
« on: April 24, 2005, 03:15:00 PM »
Coming from a family full of teachers, I have to sort of say something about the whole single sex education thing.  It's really more affective for pre-teen and high school girls especially in the math and science fields, basically because a lot of girls don't want to look smart and won't challenge boys, but too be honest if your going to law school, I think imagine you would have gotten over this sort of thing by now and can't think of a whole lot of advantages.  In fact I can only think of disadvantages and the fact that you would not have interacted with men in any legal sense during your whole education, men and women do generally have different styles and I think you would need that real world exposure because you'll be meeting them in the real world soon enough. I know there is a lot of research that shows that girls do better without boys, but that is in a general sense and a lot of the research is really more about girls from disadvantaged backgrounds who may not get a lot of support or encouragement at home.  Also I think being around boys is good in a lot of ways, they are more competitive and more ruthless, girls are taught to be non confrontational and even if you have an insane feminist mother like myself, a lot of that rubs off on you.  I think you may want to avoid some of the insanely competitive schools which I'm sure have way too much testerone, but I wouldn't go for an all girl school, even if one existed.

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It's funny the students we had talk to us seemed incredibly driven.  All were graduating and doing clerkships for judges.  I got the impression that although the school in big on PI, the vast majority went the traditional law route and just sort of dabbled in the non profit thing.  Seemed like pretty much everyone was trying to write on to journals and that sort of thing.  But also the people I talked to all seemed to be in the top 10% for the most part.  I can see how some students could be like that, you could tell a lot of the kids didn't go to law school for the money or necassarily to become lawyers.  I was told there were so many different things to do that you would have to turn a lot down, but they all were pretty academic, journal, clinics, moot court that sort of thing.  I got the impression from the school that people were pretty smart but I agree it wasn't your typical dog eat dog sort of law school and some people do thrive on competition.

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Well my dad lives in Northern NJ and I've been forced to live there a few summers and that sort of thing and I lived in Monterey, which is near, but nothing like San Jose and now I live in Santa Barbara.  California is definitely a lot more laid back and that goes from everything from what you wear to work to wearing pajamas to coffee shops in the morning (I don't do it, but plenty do).  The biggest difference I would say is the little things.  The girl at Starbucks is actually pleasant and competent, as opposed to in NJ where they were annoyed I was there and screwed up my drink at least half the time.  The food is generally a bit fresher and lighter than in the tri state area and a lot less Italian.   You don't really get the strong ethnic group in CA like you do in NYC, by this I mean the large Italian and Jewish communities who have very distinct identities.  However there is of course a huge Hispanic population who will provide you with all the cheap and huge burritoes you can eat, I don't want to leave  :-[

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Hey I'm definitely looking for a roommate.  I'm coming into this blind and it would be great to live with another law student. 

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I don't know I've seen some creeps back off when I start talking to someone.  Maybe your right, but I can't imagine knowing someone is on the other line calling 911 is real appealling to most criminals.  You might be right, but it always makes me feel better.

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I would definitely not get a gun.  Something like 85% of guns are turned against people in an altercation and unless your really good with a gun (and I mean Jack Bauer good) I wouldn't suggest it.  If you are really worried a self defense class (which basically entails teaching you how to knee and kick a guy in the balls) would probably be your best bet, but really have a cell phone, tell people where you are, if its late never a bad idea to call your roommates or bf or whoever on the walk home.  I used to live in London and walking home at night could sometimes be a bit dodgy, if I thought someone was following me a little too close I would usually call my roommates and say something loudly like oh I'll be home in 5 minutes, no ones going to mug you when your on your cell and teh person your talking to is a two minute run away, at least that is my theory. 

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Oh and on another sort of random point.  I think this is the same sort of reason that higher ranked schools have better bar passage rates.  Part of it is, sure, the schools themselves.  But an even bigger reason is that better students go to better schools.  If a student who got into Yale, well to a TTT they would still almost certainly pass the bar easily and be very good lawyers.  To a large extent students make the school.

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And I think it is also to say that because some one did bad on the LSAT they will do badly on the Bar.  I don't think the skills/knowledge/appititude for each test is the same, but in the highly generally sense the kind of person who does well on the LSAT for reasons X, Y and Z is likely to go to a better law school, study more and prepare better for the bar.  But its not like an algebra test predicting how well you'll do in trig. 

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Georgetown over Yale - Am I crazy?
« on: April 17, 2005, 04:20:43 PM »
I think it really comes down to what you want to do.  If you want to be a professor (and it doesn't seem you do) go to Yale.  If you ever want to go into politics yourself or something along those lines where you will need the old boy network then of course its yale again.  Also you have to remember Yale is a highly theoretical hands off sort of law school.  That may be your thing and it may not, but you have to keep in mind you are going to have a very different experience at Yale than you would at just about any other law school.  I have heard a lot of stories of ivy league grads getting top notch jobs and really having no clue what their doing when they start out in the real world, not that they don't learn quick, but I can't really say how much real world lawyer experience your gonna get at Yale.  As far as your interests and that sort of thing  I am sure that Yale how outstanding classes and programs in all of them.  And in the summer Yale will no doubt be able to get you pretty much any job you want on capitol hill, but you will be giving up the year round access that Georgetown gives you, especially being the best school in town.  Yale will be your ticket to a lot of high paying, high prestige jobs, but if that isn't your goal in life then I can't see a lot of point in going there.  And to put things in perspective a little Georgetown may not be #1, but it is an amazing, world renowned school, you don't lose either way.

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