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AllisonAzee-  Relax, you're in a great spot to be in!  Didn't you get into GW though?  If I was in the enviable spot of choosing between those 3 schools, I'd go with GW in a heartbeat ;)

Actually, no, it's kind of embaressing actually.  I got all confused with that post and though GW was referring to Washington Law School at American.  All these synonyms everyone uses gets a little confusing.  I never even applied to George Washington, but now I sort of wish I did.  I basically concentrated on CA schools and just applied to a few other schools here and there and didn't really do a lot of research on them.  So yeah basically I'm an idiot, no GW for me.

Normally, I would say that American is the clear choice.  However, after seeing these statistics, I'm not so sure:

Employed after 9 mos: NE - 95.7 Amer - 86.2

Median starting salary, public interest: NE - $42k. Amer - $42.5k.

Average indebtedness at graduation: NE - $77,680. Amer - $89, 584

It seems that despite the school's ranking, the co-op program does give a signicant advantage to NE students in getting a job.  If you're set on public interest work (which the OP isn't, but someone else considering these 2 schools might be), the difference in PI salaries seems negligible.  Considering the COL btw the schools, tuition, and debt, American may not necessarily be a huge cost-advantage vs. potential earnings for every student either.

AllisonAzee- the students at NE are much more liberal/radical than American.

Really? I knew they were pretty liberal, but everyone seems to be calling American the most liberal school in the country, but they may be referring to the faculty.

Yeah according to NE, like 40% or students get their first job from one of the places they co-oped at so that's pretty significant.  Also those starting salaries are really skewed because a lot of students from both schools going into public interest by choice and no one gets high salaries there.  I'm guessing that people who go into private practice have fairly comparable starting salaries to other schools.

I swear every day I swing to another school as my first choice, I can't make a decision!!!

I can't remember about NE, but American is most certainly not 37% female - check USNEWS, it is the other way around, man!

Yeah I was thinking that too.  Both schools I believe are the other way around, both close to 2/3 female, although I guess NE is improving slightly.  Yet another reason I sort of hesitate with both schools, of course I'm a girl, so the guys are probably all over those stats.

Ok I guess I'm not the only one then.  Still don't know why they don't hurry up.  U of San Diego isn't really one of my top choices, but I would definitely give it a visit if I got in.  I'm visiting American and Northeastern on the weekend of April 1st which will be too late for U of San Diego if that's the deadline I'm given, oh well seems like a bad strategy for the school to send everything out so late.  Doesn't give you much time to really consider it.

Reading the other seems like the tactful way is to email the law school admissions office to let them know you are considering other offers?  Thanks for the input...I'm also waiting on the fin aid letter from UC Hastings...but I really would like to stay in soCal  :)  Does institution prestige matter as much in the public interest field?  The reason I want to stay south other than great weather, closer to family, etc. is the many APIA-interest organizations in the LA area at least...

also you should write to loyola before they offer anything and let them know what your deal is. you got into hastings? hastings has the strongest rep of all those schools, as i am sure you know, but because they are state probably wont offer much money. i think they have a very modest limit, actually.

i have never been to usd, but i have been to loyola. it is a school i am considering, too, but it does lack a collegiate feel, which i would miss. but still the little campus feels never spacious. totally like loyola law high school.

Haha that's totally what I thought when I visited.  It totally reminded me of my high school, but then again I liked my high school so maybe that's not a horrible thing.  Yeah I'm really mixed on Loyola, I like everything it can do for me, but the location is pretty horrible.  Not to mention the commute if you want to live anywhere safe, which I do.  When I went on the tour I was told that Loyola has more alumni who are partners in LA law firms than USC or UCLA, so the job prospects are good especially for its rank.

I'm kind of worried.  I've heard from nearly all my schools and according to my stats and my other acceptances I really shouldn't have a problem getting in, but I haven't heard anything at all.  I submitted my app electronically, so I know they received it and it's complete.  I applied in Nov.  I heard that their deadline for acceptances is April 1st, so I don't know what is going on.  Would it be ok to email them, just to ask when I can expect a decision? 

God I'm facing the exact same dilemma.  Well I'm also throwing Loyola into the mix.  I love Northeastern too, with the co ops and the whole environment, but after you get into a better ranked school it's really hard to wonder if you're not throwing away a real opportunity.  Some people have told me that ranking after a certain point down doesn't really matter, i.e. the difference between about 50 and about 75 is almost indistinguishable.  Sort of like is Harvard really better than Stanford?  Some would say yes, but I doubt an employer would really rank one above another. 

There are few reasons I'm really hesitating about going to American.  To start with the cost and standard of living aren't going to be great.  It's in a really exspensive neighborhood that it's doubtful you'll find anything affordable in, so you'll have to commute.  There is virtually no parking and the parking there is, is exspensive.  And I heard somewhere it's like a mile walk to the actually school.  Public transport is ok, but you still have to get a shuttle to the school so it's a better, but not great option.  I've also heard that American is perpetually in the shadow of Georgetown and GW.  Unlike Northeastern that is sort of unique in its own right and gives you opportunities other schools don't (although I'm not denying reputation goes a long way).  American is also extremely liberal, I'm very liberal also, but I've heard its to an extreme. 

I think if you want to go into a field that is well ranked at American go there, but if you don't really know, NE will give you 4 chances to figure it out and make a lot of contacts in the process, which will probably get you a lot farther with that first job, if your smart, that ranking alone. 

Basically I'm kind of bashing American, but it's still a real option for me.  I'm visiting both schools in early april for their accepted student open houses, so I'm hoping that will clear some things up.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Would I be crazy to...
« on: March 07, 2005, 10:48:29 PM »
I think that if you want to get a top job in LA, there probably isn't a better school for you that UCLA.  They'll hire from there first and you have all those local connections.  And to be honest UCLA is a great school, reputation wise, there will always be better, but I just don't think you can go wrong with UCLA law.  Also don't get too caught up in rankings they're horribly biased and change constantly.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Overly Competitive Schools
« on: March 05, 2005, 12:21:46 AM »
This is the list compiled by The Princeton Review of Most Competitive Students based on law student assessment of: the number of hours they spend studying outside of class each day, the number of hours they think their fellow law students spend studying outside of class each day, the degree of competitiveness among law students at their school, and the average number of hours they sleep each night:

1.  Baylor
2.  Southwestern
3.  Bringham Young
4.  Suffolk
5.  Brooklyn
6.  Yeshiva
7.  Albany
8.  Widener
9.  Golden Gate
10. Emory

This may not be based on if students tear pages out of books or steal notes, but, personally, I think it is an even bigger deal to know that the students at these law schools sleep less than students at any other law schools!  I have to get my 7 to 8 hours of zzz's to be functional.

I also find it interesting to note that not one of these schools is in the top 20!  In fact, I think only 2 or 3 are even in the top tier.  I kind of take this to mean that maybe students at lesser schools sometimes work a lot harder because they know they have to be at the top of their class in order to be as successful, at least starting out, as the middle ground students at higher ranked schools.

A friend of a friend flunked out of golden gate last year.  She improved second semester and petitioned to stay in but they still kicked her out.  Basically a lot of these lower tier schools overenroll and then weed out half the class the first year.  They get some tuition and keep the kids they actually think will pass the bar.  She apparently absolutely killed herself, heard lots of stories of her and her classmates just breaking down crying at like 2 am, not good. 

Actually when I visited Loyola, I asked how competitive it was and was told they had a very low attrition rate basically because they are willing to bend over backwards to help you if you need it.  The better schools want to keep you and the lower ranked ones need to weed out kids.  It's pretty harsh at some of them.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: American Law School?
« on: March 04, 2005, 06:26:23 PM »
Yea, it's got a good rep., but you'll definitely be in the shadow of UVA, GULC, GW, Mason, W&L, and W&M grads when it comes to getting a job...if you do well, this won't be a problem, but if you're not in the top 25-33% you may have trouble finding a $100K+ job - which is an essential amount to live comfortably in DC

Yeah that's what I'm kind of worried about and I like DC, but I don't know if I would want to be there permanently.  I'm guessing I would be in the top quarter or so, but there are no guarantees of course.

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