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Hi Lexington.

I'll give you a summary post, so someone can check me if I forget something.  
We had a conversation about sexual biases and expectations of a mate before and after marriage, there was the blsd party . . .I brought gumbo and biscuits, blk brought ice cream, and other people brought ice cream and champagne . . .then, there was the talk about plastic surgery . . .then,we had the music throwback . . then when Luther passed (RIP), we had the Luther music throwback . . .

Oh, and HBCU decided he would try being gay, and he didn't like it, but that means he cheated on blk and she dumped him.  Now she is happily single.

Am I missing anything, everyone?


LMAO.  Sounds like some great comedy, sorry I missed it - especially the BLSD party  :)

hey lexington, how was the rest of cleo?

CLEO's been cool.  Still another 2 weeks to go.  It's all finally starting to come together (in the 5th week LOL).  After this, I'll start my east coast tour and maybe try to sneak in a real vacation along the way.  I saw your quick post about school - hopefully it's all coming together.  You'll be in my prayers  :)

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What's up with all the damn drama on the board?!  I'm too lazy to read through 3 weeks worth of posts so somebody should send me a summary PM.  LOL.  :D

Seriously though, hope everyone's well...

Edit: BP, Reign, SEU, Faith, Lex - What's good?

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hey y'all!

lexington--glad that cleo is going well. have you heard positively from any schools yet?

Yes, I've heard from some schools, but I still haven't made a decision.  LOL.  There will be schools here recruiting in a few weeks.  I'll probably interview and then makes some decisions shortly thereafter.

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Goodmorning peeps!!  Checking in from Kansas City... CLEO's kept me pretty busy over the last few weeks.  Hope everyone's summer is going well  :)

Hey, good to see you back.  How's CLEO?  I'm jealous of you for doing it. :)

CLEO has been good so far.  I'm digging Contracts but Torts is a little too subjective for my taste.  It hasn't been as challenging academically as I would've liked, but I think it'll be a good transition.  There's a lot of hand holding where outlines and lecture notes are concerned, but its still been a good opportunity to test out some of the logistical stuff (adjusting to level/type of reading, determining the best use of study time, scheduling study time, practicing briefing/book briefing, testing out note taking software).  These are things I'd much rather get out of the way now instead of experimenting with different methods over the first weeks (or months even).

There are people from all over - Cali, Illinois, NY, Louisiana, Mississippi, Arizona, Texas, Iowa.  Everyone's really friendly and very supportive. Seeing nothing but these same faces for the last three weeks is getting old though. LOL.  We go to class together, eat together, study together, exercise together, run errands together, hang out together.  All this coupled with the fact that we rarely get off campus.  It's like straight isolation here!

All in all, i think it's been a good experience and a great way to demystify law school.  There was a hot second when I wanted to go home cuz I thought it was a waste of my time but now that it's almost halfway over, I don't regret coming one bit.

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Goodmorning peeps!!  Checking in from Kansas City... CLEO's kept me pretty busy over the last few weeks.  Hope everyone's summer is going well  :)

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Law School Applications / Re: www.cleoscholars.org
« on: June 02, 2005, 09:44:45 PM »
does anyone know the difficulty of this program? I have to go to NYC one weekend and was wondering if that was feasible.

A girl I met at Wisconsin admit weekend went last year (she deferred enrollment to ls for this year) said that it was easy for her, but a lot of students were having breakdowns.  It is supposed to emulate your first year experience at ls.  I think it is so stressful for some people because they have acceptances riding on it.  Personally, I too hope that I will have some free time on the weekends so I can have visitors.

The difficulty of the subject matter will obviously vary from person to person.  But ultimatley, I think the program is designed to be rigorous more so than hard.  So while you may not find the subject matter difficult per se, I'm sure we'll all struggle to keep up with the fast pace.  That said, I'm preparing myself to be awake most nights.  Hopefully that way I can sneak in some fun on the weekends.  I'm actually supposed to go home for a wedding one of the weekends.  Hopefully I won't have to cancel.  :-\

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Fun Summer Reads
« on: June 02, 2005, 12:01:43 PM »
swb--ancient period? the 60's? LOL!

Ok, I finished 3 books these past 2 weeks. The Dew Breaker by Edwidge Danticat was excellent! I love her writing, its innovative, beautiful and lyrical. I also read the devil wears prada. it was a fun read and kept me interested. i read it a couple of times on the various planes i was on this weekend and I was laughing out loud. it was a fun book. and i also read a taste of reality. i mentioned it earlier, but it was a good book. now i am ready to get some others. i think i will try this secret life of bees and see what its about.
peace y'all!

Do I get points for finishing No Disrespect the other day? When I told people what I was reading, they'd look at me like  :-\ Been there, done that, long time ago... LOL. After reading it, I felt like it was a book that all young women should read.  But some of the stories she tells are so crazy I have to wonder if a young girl who hasn't been through anything yet herself would even take it seriously.

I think I'll go with Dew Breaker or Bees next.  Maybe we could all be on the same book at the same time and talk about it...

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as for lexington saying that maybe 18 months is appropriate i dont know what to say except that if Mr. Tate is any indication, 18 months is not nearly long enough.

I don't know what's appropriate because I'm not an expert which is why i included the quote from the article.

Check this argument used in the Tate case:

The standard for legal competency to stand trial is well known: In a 1975 case, Drope v. Missouri, the U.S. Supreme Court held that "a person whose mental condition is such that he lacks the capacity to understand the nature and object of the proceedings against him, to consult with counsel, and to assist in preparing his defense may not be subjected to a trial." It is, in short, unconstitutional to try someone who's unable to appreciate what's happening at trial and to help his lawyer during the proceedings. Which ought to mean, in short, that it's unconstitutional to try children who have no clue as to what is going on.

You do at the very least agree that a child is unable to contribute to their own defense because their understanding of the justice system is incomplete at best?

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Studies show that sparing the rod often spares the child. "There is growing evidence that kids who are sentenced as adults come out worse than they would have if they are sentenced as juveniles," Professor Steinberg said. All states require schooling for juveniles serving time in detention centers, and most also provide psychiatric counseling and treatment, he said. In adult prisons, services are far more stinted, and the environment often brutalizing.

This is basically the point that I was trying to make.  Good article Omega.

..I think we all agree there needs to be punishment, but perhaps we have different ideas about the purpose of punishment.  It seems to me that for children especially the purpose should be reform.  I think the "message to society" that harsher punishment sends should be a lesser concern in the case of children because it ultimately impedes their rehabilitation.  That message is better sent by parents and educators, not child imprisonment horror stories.  Even though the punishment of 18 months in a detention center may not appear to fit the crime (and it wouldn't for any adult) it may be exactly what a 9 year old needs.

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yo, i dont care how young a person is, if they intentionally kill someone they deserve to GO AWAY for a very long time.  kids know right from wrong at a very early age and they know that murder is wrong even before that.  the first thing that parents should teach kids is that there are serious consequences for taking someone's life.

I strongly disagree with this.  How can children be expected to automatically know right from wrong especially if there are no positive role models and if violence is a way of life from the time they're very young?  I think a lot of us pass judgement from 20,000 ft. and have no idea what conditions children are growing up in.  I agree that children need to be punished, but sending a kid to prison where there is no attempt at rehabilitation does nothing for the kid or for society.  Prison basically guarantees that whatever negative behavior the child has learned on the streets will be reinforced. You do the math, even if the little girl does 20 or 30 years (manslaughter sentences aren't nearly as long) she'll be back on the streets well before she's an old lady.  And then what?

For me it's pretty much a no-brainer but I'm curious to know what everyone else thinks?  

P.S. I'm assuming that by "go away" you meant go to jail.  Perhaps not... Feel free to clarify.

You said it is a no brainer.  What would you do to the little girl?


I meant no-brainer not to send the girl to prison.

There's really no perfect solution at this point, but I think anything is better than putting a child with hardened criminals.  There are lots of extracurricular programs out there that have been successful with problem children from the inner city.  Granted these are voluntary programs, but perhaps a live-in modification with 24 hour supervised care?  Sounds kind of like a juve facility to me...


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