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Law School Admissions / Re: Harvard Phone Interview
« on: November 29, 2006, 12:16:38 AM »
I definitely want to hear more details about "all but" calling him ignorant...

And so that others feel better about their own blatherings, I definitely used "company" in place of the word "country," possibly more than once.  Oh well; I hear law school is supposed to teach us something about grace under fire... (?)  Maybe we can take comfort in being like dry sponges, ready for the flood...  ;)

I ended up just de-compressing my regular PS that I had submitted to the other schools, so it was only 2.5 pages.  They must've liked it; I got in (last year) and I remember they had a longer limit then too.  I said nothing about Boalt in the statement, although if it had been my first choice, I'd probably have gone to more of an effort to indicate at least that I knew something about the school.

I think your list looks good...I got into Berkeley, BC, BU, Vandy with a 166/3.79.   Also later got off Duke's WL.   Have you thought about USC?  I actually think you're pretty solid at both BC and GW. 

I would advise you not to apply to any school that you would not want to go to, unless you're really paranoid and must go to law school C/O 2010...I have a friend who last year succeeded at getting rejected at all schools but one with a 164/3.4 from Yale, but then applied two cycles later and both got into BC and was elated to take the last spot in Vanderbilt's class.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Help! What are my chances?
« on: October 26, 2006, 10:31:35 AM »
Hi all,

       I know there have been a lot of “what are my chances threads,” but I’m really stumped about what my chances are for the T-14. Here’s my situation:

GPA (from top 20 national university): 3.93
LSAT: Oct. 1, 2005 (162); Sept. 30, 2006 (171).
Excellent recs, top-notch personal statement, great extracurriculars

   Given the new ABA rules on taking the highest score, what sort of chance do I have at the top 14 schools, especially Chicago, NYU, and Columbia. If it matters, I have a very, very good reason for the score improvement. Please let me know what you think!

they don't just take the highest score.  the highest score is the only one they report to LSAC.

yet a lot of schools treat that new reporting requirement as a way to in effect "take" the higher score; they may give it more weight or ignore the lower score altogether.  i know at least a few schools have switched their "policies" based on this ABA change (which I think itself was based on an LSAC release saying that an applicant's higher score was more closely indicative of his or her probabilities of "succeeding in law school" than the average of the two).

Law School Admissions / Re: Advice on Adendum
« on: October 23, 2006, 08:30:57 PM »
I think you definitely should write about factors in your life that at one point impeded you and from which you subsequently learned.  There is no shame in having potentially made some bad choices or been affected by things outside of your control as long as you took a step back, reevaluated your priorities, and then succeeded, which you clearly, clearly did. 

A lot of people in your position might have given up on school altogether, started selling crack, or otherwise dipped into some very dark hole.  You didn't; that's something that deserves acknowledgement.

If I were you, I would write about your situation with a degree of vagueness (i.e. don't call your girlfriend a "wacko"; simply describe that you were in an unsuccessful romance or create some other interesting euphemism for your relationship's demise).  Use deference and accept responsibility for your role in these only sounds whiny if you refuse to accept any sort of role in what became of your first shot at your degree.  But yes, schools are going to want to know and they consider it more than an "excuse"; otherwise they wouldn't put that crap on their apps that says they want you to include "anything else you believe the ad comm should know." 

And definitely, definitely, have someone else read it. The way you read your own voice is always tainted with the way you either intended it to sound or want it to sound; get a second opinion.  Feel free to send to me if you feel like it.

Good luck!! I'm sure you'll do great.  You've shown to the most important person of all--yourself--that you can totally rock the academic ratrace.

i can too.

If you're still looking, I'll be happy to take a look.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Help! What are my chances?
« on: October 23, 2006, 10:16:09 AM »
I think you have a decent shot at Columbia, but it would be interesting to see what they tell you about averaging (i.e. if they'll give you a straight answer). My experience was that I went from a 166 to a 177...Michigan and UVA both treated me as if I were a 177 scorer straight up. I asked Stanford directly how they would feel if I were to apply (I hadn't applied to Stanford yet), and their response was one of those wishy-washy "the LSAT is but one factor..." responses.

I'd definitely give Columbia a shot; I know someone who got in with a similar GPA and a 168, albeit two years ago.  And although I've never understood how someone could judge his own personal statement to be "top-notch," I'm sure that and the other factors will work in your favor as well.

Everyone knows that the USNWR rankings hold water in at least some circles...otherwise why would everyone who posts on this board spend so much time, money, and mental energy trying to get into "T14"s, the "best" school they can get into, etc. And yes, the smart cookie who surmised that I probably was not deliberating between Duke and Franklin Pierce was entirely correct. 

I don't care to keep this thread going, really, because I found the answer I needed, but I just thought I'd cheekily remark how funny I find it that a question that requested a single number in response got three loquacious, digressing answers.  Pretty amusing...guess this isn't a "future lawyers of the world anonymous" message board for nothing!

Thanks for everyone's thoughts...


Hmm, while I do appreciate your unfeigned dismissiveness, I´d have to say that on some level, I completely disagree.  While certainly the rankings should not be used as the singular and perfect authority on any school´s strengths, they are useful as rough measures of a school´s course offerings, faculty quality, and programmatic coherence relative to those at other schools.  This is especially true since some schools like to bloat their attention to certain areas of law curriculum, international being one focus that has become particularly popular since 9/11.

And I have no idea what HTH means...

Those rankings don't matter. HTH.

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