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31 you all not look at the dates messages are posted?

Choosing the Right Law School / Re:
« on: March 03, 2004, 10:21:05 AM »
Yeah, I kind of wish had a discussion forum, as well...I'm saying that here without hesitation because I doubt it would take away from people coming to this board (a lot of people here are also on every other discussion board regarding the LSAT/law school out there).

But I always recommend looking at because it actually SHOWS you how people with your numbers do at particular's not like the lsac calculator or the admissions spreadsheet. It personalizes it more, especially when the people put in more than their numbers (like what school they went to, how much work experience they have/how long they've been out of school, etc), which I definitely recommend everyone do when they sign up.

So I'm glad you brought this up, Brie!  ;)

Honestly, you WOULD have been better off if you could have gone to NYU or Columbia (and not just because of their rankings, either, but because both are tops in NY and in general for sports/entertainment law and tops period for international law, plus would almost guarantee you that $100,000 a year)...umm...but some of us realize that not everyone can nor wants to go to those schools. light of that...and to actually have someone answer your question...I don't know anything about St. John's except it's ranked higher than the other schools. But I'm thinking that, to have the best shot at $100,000 after law school, especially to practice entertainment/sports law, you need to go to the best law school you get into and make the best grades you can. I've been told numerous times that employers care about law school rankings and class rank...and I've been told numerous times that this is even more true for entertainment law (and I know because I'm planning to go into that field).

Hofstra is the only one of those schools, that I know of, that has an Entertainment/Sports Law Society, if that makes any difference...

Either way, you've got some competition coming from those from NYU and Columbia who plan to go into those fields.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: 2.44 GPA, 151 LSAT My chances?
« on: March 02, 2004, 12:56:34 PM »
Hmmm...well, Loyola is definitely the long shot.

As with the other schools...I'm sure you realize that your main problem is your GPA...though your LSAT score is also low for all those schools, except Whittier.

The fact that you've been out 7 years will lessen their focus on your GPA...unfortunately, the focus will shift more to LSAT score.

You might want to try to re-take the LSAT (after studying a lot or even taking a prep course, though)...and/or you might want to enroll in some classes in one program in order to show that you can now make good grades. I definitely do think you should re-take the LSAT, though. If you've already applied and you happen to get into one of these schools, that'd be great. But, if not, prep hard and re-take.

Law School Admissions / Re: One more UG year?
« on: March 01, 2004, 07:35:01 PM »
Yeah, but I think that some law schools will feel/see that Communications is bs at your school (or, really, just a bs major in general) which case, staying another year might not help.

For example, a quote from Duke's Dean for Admissions and Financial aid, Dennis Shields, from Montauk's "How to Get into the Top Law Schools":

"There's a rebuttable presumption that certain majors are suspect: criminal justice, communications, which is a very popular major for people who don't want to work hard, even though it can be rigorous at some places."

In relation to his comment that it can be rigorous at some places...I would think law schools would be familiar with which schools it's a harder course of study. I also think many law schools would be able to see right through what you're trying to do.

Instead, many admissions officers (from Yale, Michigan, Boalt, Columbia, NYU, Penn, Georgetown, Stanford, GW, etc) recommend that, to overcome a weak undergrad record, you... 1) score high on the LSAT  2) get some good work experience (which is how you might rather spend an extra year or so)  and/or 3) go to grad school/get into an extended academic program of some sort and make good grades (which you might also rather consider). Yale and Columbia also add that letters of recommendation become more important in this case. 

Also, my comments about your GPA are that it doesn't help at all that you got it from UC Davis and in a field like Political Science with a Communications minor. Honestly, I think you'd be better off getting into the best graduate program you can swing, as many of these law schools said doing well in a GOOD graduate school's program makes a difference. Also, work some, at least part-time. Then apply in a couple years with a short addendum about your undergraduate record.

Law School Admissions / Re: Should I retake the LSAT?
« on: February 28, 2004, 10:31:07 PM »
Nah...check,'re absolutely right...that 166 will be kind of a hindrance with those schools, it looks like.

If I were you, I wouldn't retake unless I really felt that I could improve. might want to spend some time prepping again and seeing if you can get that 166 up to, at least, a 170 (personally, I think your average of those two scores if you retake needs to come out 170 because, particularly, Columbia and NYU seem to be favoring students who score in the 170s this year, regardless of GPA and undergrad). If you really want to go to those schools, I'd try everything I could...though Penn might give you the benefit of the doubt as you come from the undergrad school...but you can't bank on that.

« on: February 28, 2004, 07:16:39 PM »
Kaplan used to use fake questions, but now all the prep courses use real ones.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Accuracy of index site
« on: February 26, 2004, 01:26:25 PM »'s what I've found/remembered:

I remembered finding this information through the Deloggio Achievement Program site a few years ago and vaguely remembered something about Boalt. So I went back to that site and, sure enough, Boalt is the school that started this. The chart either used to be on Deloggio's site or Boalt's site...however, now I don't see it on either. But it's called the Berkeley System--some schools do it, some don't and some do it differently than Boalt does (like, I know I remember reading that Penn allegedly adds .2 to the GPA from certain schools...some schools also do it even for "grade inflation" schools).

So check this site:

A few things on this site: I wouldn't say all schools view your grades as worthless if your school's mean is a 3.2+, especially if your school is top 20. Also, in Montauk's book "How To Get Into the Top Law Schools" the "feeder" schools to Columbia (and probably many other top law schools) are listed as (in order from the most to the least) Yale, Columbia, Harvard, Brown, Penn, Stanford, Berkeley, Dartmouth, Princeton, Cornell, Michigan, UT-Austin, UCLA, NYU, Duke, UVA, Brigham Young, Barnard, Emory, Wellesley, Georgetown, Northwestern, Rice and Smith. I'm pretty sure a lot of these schools have means above 3.2 (Emory's is a 3.3, for example). I think if your school is one of these schools, then you probably get a boost in admissions at most schools (as Deloggio indicates feeder schools do). They will probably look more at how well students with your GPA from your undergraduate school have done at their law school.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Accuracy of index site
« on: February 26, 2004, 11:56:25 AM »
I remember all top 20s getting a GPA boost (I attended a top 20, so I know I looked closely at that)...I'm not sure, but I think it's about .2 GPA points...I'm going to do a search and see if I can find the site this info was on. If I find it, I will post it.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Accuracy of index site
« on: February 26, 2004, 11:52:13 AM »
I've been wondering myself...of course, it's based almost totally on numbers, so that's one thing. The main thing I've been wondering about is where do they get URMs are to add 3-6 points to their LSAT. I've also been wondering why it looks easier to get into Columbia than NYU...and into Stanford than Harvard and Yale, according to the spreadsheet and my numbers (is NYU more GPA-heavy?). They also don't have anything on the spreadsheet concerning adding or deducting points to the GPA in relation to what undergrad you attended (which I've seen lists of which schools get what before online) or any of the other wild cards that affect index #. Checking the spreadsheet against, you can see it's not TOTALLY accurate (Stanford has been rejecting people who have gotten into H and Y quite a bit, it seems, this year)...but it still seems pretty good, though, for giving you an idea, as long as you're a pretty regular applicant. I think I can now see why people have been getting into schools ranked higher than Georgetown and Boalt (although I knew Boalt was GPA-heavier than the other schools but didn't know why people were getting into schools like Michigan, Penn and UVA but getting waitlisted or rejected at G-Town).

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