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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: CALI
« on: October 18, 2005, 01:18:59 PM »
More in the employment discrimination section.

And a lesson on takings law.

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1L job search / Re: When Do 1L usually start looking for 1L summer jobs??
« on: October 17, 2005, 02:40:59 AM »
Jacy's right about the NALP guidelines -- at least, those were the rules last year.

It depends what type of job you are looking for, but basically, you'll do better if you start in December, but some people still find things in April (or even later).

Law firm: prepare them over the summer, or if that's not possible, then after exams in December.  There is no value in sacrificing ANY of your exam-study time for the chance to send out cover letters fast.  It is much more important to get good 1L grades than to get a 1L law firm job, and a lot of the employers don't make decisions til January or later anyway.  They often (but not always) want to see first semester grades before making decisions.

Government: the most prestigious programs have deadlines in January. But there are other positions that don't hire 'til later.

Judges: I'm not sure.  December/January, I'd expect.

Public Interest: these things come out over time all through the spring semester. 

Research assistantships for professors: depends on your school, but where I go, some professors start advertising in late February, but other positions don't appear until April.

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General Board / Re: Depressed and lonely in law school?
« on: October 16, 2005, 10:20:35 PM »
Yep, that's why I'm roaming this board.

My thoughts:

#1: Chuck the TV.  Split the resulting free time between sleeping and being with other people.

#2: Find something to do with other people
a.  My law school has a lot of public interest and community service things to do.  Yours might too.  It's a good way to meet a broader group of people, at least some of whom may not be valley girls.  And some of these activities are interesting learning experiences.
b.  Early evening or afternoon social activities.  A restaurant was giving a % of its profits on a particular night to charity, so a few days in advance, I emailed my section and other law students I knew to see who wanted to go to dinner.  We had a nice little group that night.  Our student bar association does a very popular bowling tournament.  A friend of mine maintains an email list -- he announces a restaurant each week, and anyone interested just goes on Tuesday night.  A friend of mine got an email about a big event on campus, so she emailed all of her law friends to see who was up for it.  Some of my friends get together for regular walks or gym workouts.  A girl in my section was in a big stage production on campus, so I found a few law students to go with.  I joined a foreign-language table.  Nothing elaborate -- just ways to interact outside of the club scene.  The people you like will migrate towards the same activities you do.
c.  Mock trial.  It's a big time commitment over a short period of time.  But you get to know your team, it can be fun, and it does go on the resume.
d.  Religious, political, or minority interest groups, if you are so inclined, inside or outside of the law school.  I volunteered with some of my fellow students on election day last year.  A religious group helped me keep some focus in grad school.
e.  A 1L I know joined the town's community orchestra
f.  Call your family and non-law-school friends.
g.  Cats.

#3: Try studying in places with other people around.  I hate studying in my apartment or in the secluded carrels in the law library.  I much prefer the more public areas of the law school, or coffee shops and restaurants.  It's nice to see there are other people around.

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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: Antitrust?
« on: October 16, 2005, 08:51:54 PM »
Thanks!  That's exactly the information I need.   :)


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Studying and Exam Taking / Antitrust?
« on: October 16, 2005, 04:22:47 PM »
Has anyone here taken antitrust law, who can recommend a commercial supplement for it?

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General Board / Re: Active, engaged learner or gunner?
« on: October 16, 2005, 04:12:41 PM »
... With that being said, I do plan to ask and answer questions... not be obnoxious but if I don't understand, I'm not going to just sit there and become more confused...


Asking a question for clarification is good, but not more than once per class.  After that, if you're still confused, take it up with the professor after class or in office hours.  That way, you get your question answered, but the class isn't slowed down.

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General Board / Re: Active, engaged learner or gunner?
« on: October 16, 2005, 04:08:41 PM »
If you insist upon asking a question (actually multiple questions) that you know is going to bring up a topic the class is CLEARLY not talking about yet....you are a gunner.

Oh, yeah.  That is the WORST gunner characteristic.

On the other hand, I like hearing from people who really have something to add, ON THE TOPIC WE'RE DISCUSSING.  I do not, however, like hearing from someone who just wants to summarize what the professor just said.

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General Board / Re: Best Professor Lines This Year
« on: October 16, 2005, 03:48:56 PM »
"Maybe when you become judges you’ll have wisdom and even if people don’t understand why you made your decision they’ll still have faith in it."

"Philosophizing by 21 and 22 year olds is not worth much."

"How do you know when enough is enough?"


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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: CALI
« on: October 16, 2005, 03:28:48 PM »
The E&E's for Civ Pro and Torts are good, but I didn't get far in the one for Contracts.

CALI was very nice for teaching me how joinder works (civ pro).  I really liked having a wizard to walk through with questions and answers for that. 

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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: For 1Ls: Open Book v. Closed Book
« on: October 16, 2005, 03:23:25 PM »
Oh, good grief.

First:  I hope none of you is seriously suggesting cheating on an exam.  Bad idea -- a terrible way to start off your career, which may not last long, given the chances of getting caught.  Even if you don't get caught, it will stay on your conscience.  Don't do it. 

Second: I've had 4 open-book exams and 2 closed-book exams, and I've done about equally well on both.  The only difference was that my open-book exams required more analysis of individual cases than my closed-book exams.  The preparation strategy is almost identical -- you're going to need to know most of the black-letter law and major policy arguments by heart anyway.  And in either case, you'll need to know how to apply the rules.  You just have to memorize slightly better for the closed-book exam, and develop a really good index to your material for the open-book exam.

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