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55-60 hours per week is acceptable and expected. I originally posted to try to learn about the probability of being stuck with a job that works you 80+ hours per week but still pays the same $50K or only slightly more.

I wish NALP had information on small and medium firms too. About a dozen large firms in Columbus post themselves in the directory, and that's it.


3. That going to a "Toilet Tier" (as many arrogant assholes have deemed it) school means that you can't be successful and/or make a lot of money. Or that settling for a school that isn't ranked as highly as your top school means that you're compromising your ability to be successful.
And while I have referred to it mostly for sarcastic purposes, I think it's pathetic that people on this forum find it necessary to degrade other individual’s accomplishments by referring to Tier 3/Tier 4 schools as the “toilet tier.” These people clearly lack the maturity and self-esteem to appreciate their own accomplishments without trampling on the accomplishments of other individuals. I’m going to a “toilet tier” school next year and I’m damn proud of it. Whether you’re going to Harvard or Cooley next year, you should be proud of the fact that you’re furthering your education, and you’re going to do something that 99% of people lack the ability or motivation to do.

Thank God somebody said this. Most people will never get a chance to attend law school. The ones that do will all have a rigorous, challenging experience.

People often fail to consider the local, state, or regional reputations that the lower-ranked schools can have. For example, I grew up in a town about 25 miles east of Cleveland. If you asked a lawyer or judge out there where he or she went to law school, one of the most (if not THE most) common answers was Cleveland Marshall.

I'm kind of in your boat. Ohio State/Vanderbilt. I love OSU, and Vanderbilt has really impressed me.

I don't know what I'm going to do either.

The difference for me is the in-state tuition I get at OSU. If it weren't for that, I probably would go with GULC (or, if I were in your case, Vanderbilt).

It's a tough call, but I'm leaning toward OSU right now.

To adequately answer this question in a meaningful way, you need to provide more details.  What schools are you talking about?

PW: If this was directed to me, it's currently between OSU and Georgetown.

Thanks. The 3000 number was an exaggeration, but doesn't seem THAT far-fetched considering some of the horror stories regarding some (although hopefully a small minority of) first year associates who regularly spend 80 hours a week at the office.

I might as well just say that the market is Columbus, which has a fairly low COL relative to the big places. Unfortunately, NALP lists only a handful of firms, and I'm pretty sure there are significantly more located there.

I guess my fear is going to OSU, graduating, and getting a job that works me just as hard but pays less than a job I could get in Columbus were I to go G'town or (if I even get in) UMich or UVa. A job that pays less but requires less slave labor is acceptable. A job that pays less but still forces you to build the pyramids is less than desirable.

I've heard from pre-law advisors and from law school admissions folk that picking the "right" major has little to do with admissions chances. Because law is a unique field, no major matches perfectly with it. Each one has its strengths and weaknesses. A poli sci major lacks the concrete problem-solving training that a math major gets. On the other hand, that math major doesn't have much experience with critical reading and writing.

If you're truly interested in poli sci, do it. Then, if you want to stand out as an applicant, get involved with extracurriculurs. If they interest you, activities that don't "fit" with your major are especially good. If nothing else, they'll grab the attention of the person reading your application. By making them think, "This person sounds interesting," you'll separate yourself from the massive crowd.

Whatever major you pick, consider taking electives all over the spectrum. If you do go with poli sci, take some math & science courses, some econ courses, maybe a language course or two. This will help your application, but it will also help you enjoy your undergraduate experience as much as possible. You'll be well-rounded in your education, which has countless benefits whether you decide to go to law school or not.

I see lots of posts saying something along the lines of:

If you want a job that pays $120+ K verus a job that pays $80- or $90 K, you'd best go to the highest-ranked law school you can get into.

Couple questions:

1) Is this statement comparing jobs in the same city? That is, are we talking about a $100 K job in Chicago versus an $80 K job in Chicago?

2) Are we comparing jobs where you would be working pretty much the same amount? Is the difference in salaries between two jobs where you would be working 60 hours a week? Or are we saying that the $120 K is more likely to be at a sweatshop type firm that requires 3000 billables?

I ask because I'm trying to decide between a school that has a national rep. (and has offered me no $) and a school that has more of a regional rep. in a smaller market that I would be quite happy in (which has offered me some $ and costs much less to begin with). I'm willing to sacrifice salary to be able to have a life outside of work. If the more regional school will allow me to do this, that's great.


Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Case Western?
« on: February 21, 2005, 05:43:30 PM »
The hotel is at the Cleveland Clinic, which is a 5-10 minute drive, depending on when you're making it.

It's nice here. I'm a senior living just off campus in Cleveland Heights. There are a lot of apartments and old duplexes nearby, and rent is quite reasonable.

Lots of cultural stuff around to fit any budget. For example, you could go to a Cleveland Orchestra concert or Cleveland Playhouse performance and fork over $50 for a ticket, but you also have the University's theater and dance department and music department productions, which are quite respectable and cost $5 or less to attend. Of course, as a student, you'll get huge discounts to the more pricey events anyway, so it's easy to find affordable entertainment.

After four years I'm ready to get outta Cleveland. Honestly though, Case is a great place.

Choosing the Right Law School / Anyone familiar with Ohio State?
« on: February 14, 2005, 08:29:46 AM »
I've visited and liked it, been accepted, been offered some money and applied for the Moritz Scholarship. I liked the tour but, of course, would like some candid information. Anybody have anything to offer? Info about courses, quality of life, faculty, student body, or any other topic will be greatly appreciated.

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