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Messages - David Bakody
« on: February 03, 2004, 07:23:28 PM »
If you are not picky about law schools - Your 141 LSAT and 3.4 GPA stand a fair chance of getting you into Thomas Cooley in Michigan. Have you considered applying to that school? Also, I think your numbers might work for Thurgood Marshall in Texas.
You might also consider exploring some non-ABA law schools. I think this is better than forgetting about law school outright, but a fair number of people will probably disagree.
Two non-ABA law schools I considered in the northeast:http://www.mslaw.edu/
MSLAW doesn't use the LSAT and they will also interview you, possibly in person depending upon your location. Keep in mind that graduating from a non-ABA school can limit your career options, but for a lot of people stuck with low LSAT scores it's an option.
« on: February 03, 2004, 06:10:49 PM »
It could take as long as 3 months. Yes. Three months. Painful, I know. Now, with that said, I talked with an admissions person at Marquette (my long shot school) and he indicated that turn around times were running about 3 to 5 weeks.
I think 8 weeks is about the norm from what I've heard, but some schools are faster than others. I've heard somewhere else on this board that the schools in California are famous for being slow... very, very slow.
« on: February 03, 2004, 12:29:26 AM »
It's going to be tough, but not impossible. I think you meet the Thomas Cooley index and could probably gain admission there, and likewise I think Thurgood Marshall in Texas might be an option to look into.
Another an opton to consider would be a non-ABA law school. That's a risky choice and *could* be very limiting to your career, but if you are determined to practice law and are shut out of the ABA schools - don't rule out non-ABA. Some might say forget it - it's either ABA or nothing, but if you are truly 100% bat out of hell determined to go to law school... look into the options.
Are you in the northeast? You might consider Southern New England School of Law (www.snesl.edu
). It's non-ABA for the moment, but they've been working hard to get ABA accrediting. Also, one school I know little about but doesn't even use the LSAT is Mass School of Law. It's non-ABA, but seems to produce a lot of lawyers.http://www.mslaw.edu/
« on: January 29, 2004, 09:35:02 AM »
I am happy to hear that your experience with Cooley is turning out to be a positive one. That is very encouraging to me and probably others who are weighing the option of going to Cooley. Like you, my LSAT wasn't very high (151), but my grades were ok (gpa 3.53). Since I'm 37 years old, Cooley might be a better fit for me regardless.
« on: January 28, 2004, 12:04:37 PM »
I have never attended Cooley or visited. But I received many emails from Cooley law students commenting on the school. All of the students that emailed me really think Cooley is a great school. They say it is vigorous with some tough teachers. I think it gets a bad rap because it has a low bar passage rate. Cooley is one of the ONLY schools in the US that will give students with low LSATs a chance to attend law school. However, many of these students do not do well.....but some do. If you want more info--email me and I'll forward you some things I've received. Also--Lansing is freezing, hope you don't mind some snow and cold weather.
I live in Wisconsin, so I don't think the weather is going to bother me in Michigan.
My plan is to take the Patent Bar (I'm about to complete a Masters in Computer Science) and become involved with IP - unfortunately that puts me in league with a million other upcoming lawyers as well.
As I Google for information on Cooley, I come across very few students who said their experience was bad, or even current students complaining about it. What I do manage to find are lots comments on Cooley being at the bottom of the rankings - and that's it. In terms of finding actual substance of students addressing anything beyond its image... I haven't had much luck.
« on: January 27, 2004, 07:16:58 PM »
I know Cooley is ranked at the bottom of most ABA law schools. When I looked into how ranking is established, the meaning of the rankings became a bit less... useful.
If I understand the ranking system correctly, about 45% of rank is based on the average LSAT scores of admitted students. The only thing this tells me is how selective a school is about the LSAT, and very little with respect to whether or not the college turns out skilled lawyers.
Does anyone here know what the actual *quality* of a Cooley education is like? My 151 LSAT and 3.53 GPA isn't going to get me into very many law schools, but if I take the LSAT a 3rd time and score in the 170's (like I suspect I will) then I can attend Cooley on a virtual 100% scholarship. With a wife and 3 kids - that adds up to some serious money. My other option is to try to attend what to me might be termed "a better brand" of law school, but it will also mean a serious debt load when I graduate.
I mentioned Cooley to an admissions person at Marquette and I thought they might vomit on me. It was just a passing question about transfer policies, etc, and when I said Cooley he almost turned green. Literally. It seems lots of schools refuse to admit Cooley transfers and that's a little disturbing.
Any Cooley people here that can comment? How is Cooley seen in the state of Michigan itself? How is the actual legal education i.e. preparation of a person to actually practice law?
« on: January 27, 2004, 12:53:56 PM »
Excellent advice across the board. Thanks.
I'm going to stay put with the 151.
« on: January 26, 2004, 01:38:53 PM »
I took the LSAT in October of 2004 and scored 139. I was sick with the flu and this had a bigger impact on my score than I expected.
I retook the LSAT in December and scored a 151. That's a 12 point gain over my previous score and closer to what I was expecting.
For fun I kept up with the LSAT in my spare time as it became a bit of a hobby. I'm at a point where I can nearly ace the LSAT now, and I suspect if I took the LSAT for a 3rd time I would score in the low 170's - maybe even ace it.
The drawback is that my LSAT report is going to show 139, 151 and [maybe] 172. How is that going to fly? Plus, I really don't want to wait another year for law school. I'm 37, 3 small kids, and I'm old enough where I'm now aging in dog years. Every delay adds 7 years to my life. Then again, scoring in the 170's might change things in a very good way...