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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: So F***ing confused! HELP!
« on: March 04, 2005, 06:06:06 PM »
w/ that GPA and those excel skills, you must be an engineer.


That is completely logical. An engineer that didn't do so hot in school, so I decide to go into law. :)

But, alas, I don't even rise to the level of a poor engineering student. Similar though, I have been in computers for the last 10 years, and I am ready for a new career.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: So F***ing confused! HELP!
« on: March 04, 2005, 05:49:47 PM »
I used a table similar to this to pick which schools I originally applied to. If you know how to use excel, then this might help you quantify your feelings about the schools and their programs.

Santa Clara31012105
Wisconsin Madison1001156

You should be able cut and paste this into excel. Replace the total (85) with this formula

Then drag the formula straight down to the other totals.

Then change the values for each school and each criterion to match how you feel about the school. So if the location for Hastings is about 3 times better than Kent, change the Hastings number to a 3.

Finally, play with the multiplier. If Ranking is twice as important as Location, then make sure the multiplier is twice the location multiplier.

The general idea is that the best school for you will have the highest number. This is something to play with over a few days. It will eventually help you sort out what are the most important criterion to you and how you really feel about each school.

Of course, if you don't know excel, then it might just drive you crazy!

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: So F***ing confused! HELP!
« on: March 04, 2005, 05:06:22 PM »
Why are you holding out for Hastings? Leiter ranks it similar to Madison, so something tells me that the reason(s) you are "holding out a little for Hastings" are important.

I think if you can articulate the reason(s) why Hastings is attractive to you, then you can start to determine your personal selection criteria.

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: Georgetown Ding
« on: March 04, 2005, 02:37:37 PM »
I was deferred, so my status said decision since December.

Law School Admissions / Chicago-Kent Honors notices?
« on: March 04, 2005, 01:36:36 PM »
Has anyone heard from the Chicago-Kent people about the Honors program?

I imagined that they would have let me know that my file was complete by now. I think I will call on Monday.

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: Yale
« on: March 04, 2005, 09:14:21 AM »
Your GPA is 2.19. You wasted a lot of cash applying there. Maybe you should have applied to truck driver school, I hear they need people right now.

Assuming that this author and other authors like him are going to law school, I am always happy to see these comments.

Using the language of the LSAT, this person is making a number of very large assumptions and is likely unaware of their assumptions and logical errors. (Plus, they have not figured out when to use a comma and when to use a semicolon.)

In the last few days, the board has a particularly hot topic that is a good example of this. The most prolific authors in these threads have been accepted to exclusive schools, but have huge gaps in their logical reasoning.

When I read these posts, I am first saddened that I am limited in my law school choices because of my GPA (I earned that GPA, I am not a victim of circumstance). When I see that my top choice schools (Yale, Georgetown, UT, UH) are rejecting me and accepting a number of people that cannot construct a single valid argument in multiple posts, I want to rage against the machine.

On the other hand, when I see highly credentialed people writing such ridiculous posts, I am relieved. When school starts in the fall, I will spend many hours learning about the law. These authors will have to reduce the number of hours that they study law to study logical reasoning and grammar. While this does not guarantee me success, it certainly gives them a disadvantage.

I want to go to Yale not because it is "ranked" in the top five, but because they have multiple unique classes in the second and third year. I want to go to Yale not because it has a great reputation, but because they have small classes and a fantastic loan-forgiveness program. I didnít apply to Stanford because they donít have a program that I want to attend. I think that Georgetown, Yale, and Harvard have all hesitated in rejecting me, because they can see that 2.19 does not accurately represent my undergraduate experience. I also did not expect to change the entire system with my three-page personal statement!

Ultimately, this person may be a chump, but he/she deserves our pity as well as our contempt.

So far Cooley has given me the most money - 100% tuition scholoarship. DePaul has given me nothing, but I am still leaning towards picking DePaul over Cooley.

As for the cities, my brother lives in Chicago, so that is good. However, I dont really like cold weather that much.

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Yale
« on: March 03, 2005, 12:05:53 PM »
Realizing that I wrote a better PS in February than I did in October, I sent my new PS to Yale on 26 February. Unfortunately, they had already rejected me. I got the letter today and it was dated 24 Feb.

I didn't expect to get admitted, but I gave myself false hope since it was taking so long to reject me.

I hope the Chicago-Kent Honors thing works out...

I didn't know that an LLM would serve my needs.

My understanding is that most (or all) LLM programs require a JD first. I also like that JD programs weight the LSAT so heavily. I would not get into any other graduate program based on my grades alone.

I also have a broad interest in the law; I want to understand everything from torts to treaties. My understanding is that an LLM focuses on a specific area of the law.

I will look at those other two schools. Thank you for the recommendations and the compliment.

I do feel fortunate that my LSAT score is so good. When I started studying for it, I felt that they designed the test just for me.

When I am not stressing about how to choose a school, I am feeling guilty that I am stressing about how to choose a school. There are other people struggling to get into any law school; even with some serious past mistakes, I am certainly going to law school. That's why I haven't posted much before now.

Actually, maybe I will tell a little story here. A few years ago, I was teaching computers at a vocational school. My students were working minimum wage jobs, supporting their family, and going to class 20 hours per week. I was inspired by them to go back to school and get my undergraduate degree. The major reasons they are struggling to get a job that pays $10/hr, while I worry about which law school to go to have nothing to do with competency. My students were mostly foreign-born, while I was born in the US, and while their families were poor, mine was middle class. I really hate to complain about this process because it is not really a burden; it is an opportunity that most of the world cannot access.

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