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I have long believed that the tuition of most private law schools is unjustified.  Law.com recently published an article about the low salaries most law students face:

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1183712786622

Hopefully, as word gets out, fewer people will get themselves into heavy debt with poor job prospects.

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http://www.pabarexam.org/Bar_Examination/Statistics/pdfs/0706Stats.pdf

Pass rates for first time takers (class of 2006, regional schools):

1) Temple University - 91.16%
2) University of Pittsburgh - 90.34%
3) University of Pennsylvania - 89.47%
4) Dickinson School of Law (PSU) - 89.17%
5) Duquesne University - 88.32%
6) Villanova University - 85.47%
7) Rutgers University (Camden) - 81.20%
8 ) Widener University (PA) - 80.41%
9) Widener University (DE) - 76.73%

Hopefully Temple will get a bump in the rankings from this in the next set of rankings. 

And here are my trollish, unjustified, and outrageous conclusions based on this data:

1) PA state schools are clearly superior to private schools!  After all, Penn did get owned, not just by Temple, but by Pitt as well.

2) NJ law students are lazy.  Rutgers Camden's student body LSAT scores are about the same as Temple's, suggesting that Rutger's student body is at least as adept at taking standardized tests, yet Camden lost to every other PA regional school in the 50-100 category.

3) Duquesne will surpass Villanova in the rankings next year.

Flame away...

Disclaimer: I am Temple Law '06, and I somehow (diligence, fearlessness & recklessness, mostly) managed to pass the PA bar :P  :)  My advice to prospective bar takers: 1) Study consistently, every day 2) Pace yourself to avoid burnout 3) Don't panic.  If you are diligent, the odds are overwhelmingly in your favor.  The BarBri instructors will tell you this, and I think they're on the right track.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Troll thread: The fall of Pittsburgh!
« on: September 26, 2006, 10:18:23 PM »
A year or two ago I had a debate with a fellow who is now at Pitt law school.  One of his contentions was that Pitt would rise in the rankings due to some prestigious new faculty hires.  I can't remember what I argued in response.  I think I said that Pitt would probably hold its ranking but not advance.

If memory serves, Pitt was a Tier 1 school ranked 47 or so in 2003, when I entered law school. This year, Pitt is ranked 60 -- a full 13 spot fall, which places it on par with Villanova and behind Temple.

So what gives, people?  I don't think any of the PA schools have changed drastically over the past three years.

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Be professional in school
« on: May 16, 2006, 11:37:26 PM »
As a graduating 3d year, just a few comments on being professional in law school. 99% of you probably don't need to read this, but I really feel the need to write this.

Law is a serious profession.  I think that people should try to have as much fun as possible while in law school, but I also think that this shouldn't come at the expense of one's dignity and reputation.  Eat, drink, and be merry, but don't take a piss in public in front of your colleagues.  Everyone will know that you can't hold your liquor. You might get arrested too, and that will not be fun to explain to the bar examiners when you are applying to take the bar exam.  Women, being attractive is a good thing, but being a skank (or dressing like one) is a very bad thing.  If your ass is hanging out, you will be known not for your intelligence or legal reasoning, but for your butt.  Men, get a good haircut, and nobody wants to see your underwear either, so the low riding, baggy pants are a really bad idea.

Your classmates are your future colleagues, and you start building a professional reptuation the moment you step onto campus for class or a pre-matriculation visit.  Don't do stupid things that people will remember for years go come.

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Many of you probably know that I'm a 3L at Temple. I'm a 3L no longer, now that I've passed all my classes and am cleared for graduation. 

I will answer any questions you might have about Temple today and tommorow.  Thursday is graduation, and I'll probably be too busy studying for the bar to provide more info here.

Ask away... and best of luck to all :)

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I was wondering if anyone had ever taken the USNWR data, removed the reputation scores, and then recalculated the rankings.

What schools would rise? What schools coast on their reputations and would plummet like a rock without them?

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