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it is a huge detriment to any law student looking for a job not to have a class rank.

Employers can figure it out pretty quick even without a rank. GULC does not "rank", but the honors cutoffs for top 10%/33% are publicly available. If top 1/3 = 3.4,

Yea for B+ cruves. That's top 10% at my school.  :o

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Exile LSD: The Law School Years
« on: September 11, 2009, 02:40:28 PM »
That's intense. She did have a much better six pack than me though...

Should I feel bad for laughing because, not only does she have hidden testes, but "semen" in her name?

Not as bad as you would feel if you laughed and said that in front of her and she got pissed enough to try and beat you up.  The way she is built she certainly could kick my arse.


and you could not run away from her either, she's faster than any man not form Kenya

That beating would be richly earned. Of course I would stick around and take it.

Kick her in the balls then run and get as much of a head start as you can

That would probably be a very deep kick to the abdomen, so I doubt it would work. Besides, I'm a big fan of taking responsibility for making really stupid decisions. The beating would be deserved.

Would you lay there and take it, try to defend yourself, or try and tap out by screaming 'uncle' (the magic 'I've had enough' code word that used to work in grade school to stop getting beaten on)?



Oh no, I wouldn't just lay there! I'd approach it like I would getting jumped into a gang: get a couple shots in to save some dignity, then take whatever comes.

well you would have to be forver that guy who got his ass kicked by ahermpodite

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which would you hire lateral w/ biz or lateral w/o biz, everything else being the same?

probably the former, obviously, but that's a strawman.  which would you hire, an associate that required sleep and bathroom breaks or an associate that required neither sleep nor bathroom breaks, everything else being the same?

please note: i'm not saying this is true across the board.  i'm just saying that at the "V10" firms, i don't think that there's an expectation that mid-level associates will bring business with them when they lateral.  useful contacts at potential clients maybe, but that's probably the outer limit.

I think in this economy you need more than just five years experince. As for who i would hire, I'm old school depends on what she looks like ina dress bending over picking up a pencil, no pants suits, won't even get past a screening interview

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My point, then wny hire a 5th year from the outside with nothing to offer you don't already have?

one more associate who shows the ability to perform at a high level at the time of the lateral and the potential to bring in business in the long run.

just because you have some already doesn't mean that you don't want more.

or maybe you can't keep the ones you have

either way, it doesn't necessarily mean the lateral has to bring business with them.

which would you hire lateral w/ biz or lateral w/o biz, everything else being the same?

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This would be much more useful if they published mean, median, and modal salaries. The means are often skewed by the upper-end outliers. If 9/10 people surveyed make 50k, and 1/10 makes $1M that puts the mean at 125k (I wager this is especially likely to be the case in the PI field).

Also, since this was a survey, it is more likely that the more successful types will respond. Therefore, a response-rate number would be useful.

In the survey hthey have 25% and 75% but too many nubers to post. Resposne rate in somewhere in the survey.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Exile LSD: The Law School Years
« on: September 11, 2009, 01:19:36 PM »
That's intense. She did have a much better six pack than me though...

Should I feel bad for laughing because, not only does she have hidden testes, but "semen" in her name?

Not as bad as you would feel if you laughed and said that in front of her and she got pissed enough to try and beat you up.  The way she is built she certainly could kick my arse.


and you could not run away from her either, she's faster than any man not form Kenya

That beating would be richly earned. Of course I would stick around and take it.

Kick her in the balls then run and get as much of a head start as you can

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Exile LSD: The Law School Years
« on: September 11, 2009, 01:01:54 PM »
That's intense. She did have a much better six pack than me though...

Should I feel bad for laughing because, not only does she have hidden testes, but "semen" in her name?

Not as bad as you would feel if you laughed and said that in front of her and she got pissed enough to try and beat you up.  The way she is built she certainly could kick my arse.


and you could not run away from her either, she's faster than any man not form Kenya

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Exile LSD: The Law School Years
« on: September 11, 2009, 12:55:57 PM »
That's intense. She did have a much better six pack than me though...

Should I feel bad for laughing because, not only does she have hidden testes, but "semen" in her name?

Is it sad that she makes the Williams sisters look hot?

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My point, then wny hire a 5th year from the outside with nothing to offer you don't already have?

one more associate who shows the ability to perform at a high level at the time of the lateral and the potential to bring in business in the long run.

just because you have some already doesn't mean that you don't want more.

or maybe you can't keep the ones you have

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This info is from the 2008 Colorado Bar Association 2008 Economics of Law Practice Survey. Its Colorado only, but is some good data for what  lawyers actually earn. 2,529 lawyers in Colorado responded to the survey (its state wide, so those living in the larger cities earned more on average than those living in the smaller cities).

Some Basic stats:

Overall Average Salaries by years of Practice [includes fulltime and part-time attorneys](p. 9-11):

Average hourly billing rate for 2008 = $225 an hour (p. 9)
Average salary for all lawyers with no experience= $70,216 (134 respondents )
Average salary for all lawyers with 1-3 years experience = $72,378.00 (260 respondents  )
Average salary for all lawyers with 4-5 years experience = $87,468 (193 respondents )
Average net income for all lawyers full and part-time in Colorado = $131,758.00

Mean Attorney Net Income by Practice Size [only includes fulltime attorneys] (p. 12)

Practice Classification - (number of respondents) - mean salary

Solo, office outside of home (191) $106,717
Solo, home office (59) 96,764
Solo with 1 or more associates (32) 168,719
Space sharer (66) 107,455
Partner in firm with 2-7 partners (252) 173,900
Partner in firm with 8-29 partners (88) 217,548
Partner in firm with 30+ partners (55) 339,255
Of Counsel (53) 231,226
Associate in firm with 1 partner (67) 70,864
Associate in firm with 2-7 partners (192) 78,516
Associate in firm with 8-29 partners (79) 96,906
Associate in firm with 30+ partners (99) 133,348
Judge/Magistrate/ALJ (Full time) (42) 112,525
Judge/Magistrate/ALJ & Private Practice (6) 125,000
Arbitrator/Mediator (5) 92,946
City/County Government (97) 173,685
State Government (59) 83,927
Federal Government (27) 96,337 7
In-House Counsel (for-profit org.) (164) 165,884
In-House Counsel (not-for-profit org.) (36) 98,217
Counsel with legal aid/legal services agency (12) 62,849
Contract Attorney (6) 73,333
Law Clerk (36) 45,902

Mean Attorney Net Income By Practice Area [fulltime private practice attorney only] (p.20)

Administrative Law (5) $130,000
Arbitration/Mediation/ADR (3) 120,000
Appellate Practice (4) 129,250
Banking (7) 121,714
Bankruptcy/Receivership (24) 115,724
Business/Corporate Law (80) 143,394
Civil Rights Law (4) 84,250
Construction law (29) 133,272
Collections (9) 104,289
Communications/Technology (3) 203,333
Criminal Defense-public (2) 42,500
Criminal Defense-private (52) 95,887
Criminal Prosecution (2) 58,250
Domestic Relations/Family/Juvenile Law (164) 115,457
Elder Law (9) 81,122
Employment/Labor (defense) (26) 142,425
Employment/Labor (plaintiff) (13) 115,000
Entertainment/Sports/Gaming Law (1) 35,000
Environmental Law (11) 121,636
Estate Planning/Estate Administration (94) 116,348
General Practice (14) 97,659
Health and Hospital law (9) 170,556
Immigration and Naturalization (12) 141,786
Indian Law (4) 46,050
Insurance Law (not torts) (12) 110,208
Intellectual Property (38) 185,667
Litigation (civil/commercial) (227) 172,343
Municipal/Public Entity (28) 146,179
Natural Resources (oil & gas/mining) (22) 183,547
Pensions/Profit Sharing/ERISA (4) 375,750
Personal Injury/Malpractice (defense)( 25) 117,940
Personal Injury/Malpractice (plaintiff) (44) 153,668
Public Utilities/Regulated Industries( 2) 177,596
Public Benefits (Soc. Sec./Medicare/Medicaid) (4) 140,250
Real Property (118) 156,898
Securities (9) 183,278
Taxation (corporate) (3) 143,000
Taxation (individuals/small businesses) (8) 81,500
Water (26) 131,799
Workers' Compensation( 27) 150,815

Mean Attorney Net Income By Years In Practice [all attorneys public/private] p.21

5 or < (527) $72,950
6 to 10 (324) 109,538
11 to 15 (289) 142,589
16 to 25 (439) 158,155
>25 (500) 183,316

Mean Attorney Net Income By Number of Attorneys in Firm [fulltime private practice]p.

1 (301) $100,559
2 (114) 103,803
3-6 (259) 131,714
7-10 (130) 140,562
11-20 (150) 145,243
21-50 (174) 203,444
>50( 79) 202,969

Full Report: http://www.cobar.org/repository/LPM%20Dept/2008EconSurvey.pdf

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