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Well year five your closer to partner that not ( Iw ould consider mid level 3.5 on a 7 yer plan to P, not 5 years), what does a year 5 assc. with nothing but experince in a mid law firm/clerking have to offer a vault 10? I.e if you got no book why bring you in?

the same thing that 5th years already at the firm have to offer the firm: ability to work on the business brought in by the partners and the potential to become a partner who actually brings in business in the long run.


My point, then wny hire a 5th year from the outside with nothing to offer you don't already have? I mean what are you bringing to the firm to make them want to lateral you and be convinced that in 2 years you will magically be able to create biz and be a partner? I just don't see any benfit to the firm here, yes to the person who wants to get hired, but not to the firm. remeber OP is not talking leteral here.

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i'm skeptical as to V10 firms expecting mid-level associates to bring clients with them when they lateral.

Just out of curiosity how do you think law firms get business, keep associates staff with work? I mean they don’t have advertising departments, accounts managers, sales staff, or sell a product on store shelves who do you think does that at a law firm? I think people think law firms are like corporations you go in your office, write your memos and someone other department keeps business rolling in. Wrong its lawyers that do all that as well as legal work. Someone has to create the business to pay the salaries of those that don’t. Law is as much sales as it is law.

clearly, you haven't seen the magazine ads for bingham or jones day.

more to the point, nothing you just said conflicts with anything i said about expectations of mid-level associate laterals.  though i'll concede that they'd probably be happy if you to have some useful contacts with clients that could turn into business in the long run.

Well year five your closer to partner that not ( Iw ould consider mid level 3.5 on a 7 yer plan to P, not 5 years), what does a year 5 assc. with nothing but experince in a mid law firm/clerking have to offer a vault 10? I.e if you got no book why bring you in?

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i'm skeptical as to V10 firms expecting mid-level associates to bring clients with them when they lateral.

Just out of curiosity how do you think law firms get business, keep associates staff with work? I mean they don’t have advertising departments, accounts managers, sales staff, or sell a product on store shelves who do you think does that at a law firm? I think people think law firms are like corporations you go in your office, write your memos and someone other department keeps business rolling in. Wrong its lawyers that do all that as well as legal work. Someone has to create the business to pay the salaries of those that don’t. Law is as much sales as it is law.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Exile LSD: The Law School Years
« on: September 11, 2009, 07:21:37 AM »
It has been a lot tougher than I thought it would be. I think that it's more adjusting to being back at MY school, rather than school in general.

Yea, I don't know if I could have done all you did to get back into that school, I would feel like if you don't want me and I don't want you, but I suppose its not like there are alot of other schools in the city to choose from.

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Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: forward-looking
« on: September 11, 2009, 07:20:23 AM »
Its tough to say with PT programs what your numbers need to be. They look more at the whole application and try to fill the class with a varitey of professions and backgrounds. Try lawschoolsnumbers.com to see what others had going in. But just do your best on the LSAT and don't take it until you really ready. Also think about how to adress your enducation in your PS, you don't want to come across as a professional student just adding the JD to your list of degrees.

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Current Law Students / Re: Procedural Question
« on: September 11, 2009, 07:15:00 AM »
In a collateral appeal the court can look beyond the four corners of the case and look at evidence not presented in trial like affidavits, witness statements, ect. Not all states have a collateral appeal option though. 

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Exile LSD: The Law School Years
« on: September 11, 2009, 07:10:30 AM »
Morning, Matthies! Good thing to know that Exile isn't totally dead :)

How are you adjusting to being back at school?

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What you mean after a “few years” if you talking about after five years of practice its going to come down to do you have portable clients to bring with = YES then likely interested, if = NO, you’re just another mouth to feed. At five years the shine is kind of off your clerkship or anything else that does not equal “what can you produce for the firm.” If you have earning potential you will be looked at, if not your not brining anything they don’t already have.

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Transferring / Re: Top 10 to Boalt/Stanford
« on: September 10, 2009, 12:06:53 PM »
I'm at another top 10, but ranked lower than those two (should be easy to figure out).
Thanks.

yea it was pretty easy to figure out since where you go is in your sig

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