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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Exile LSD: The Law School Years
« on: October 15, 2009, 05:58:47 PM »
Just a few more reasons why people suck.

I'd complie a running list but its too long for even the internet

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Law School Applications / Re: too smart for my own good?
« on: October 15, 2009, 10:56:21 AM »
Take a year off work in the real world it will be good for you. You need to nip that procrastination thing in the bud know if you want to do well in law school or as a lawyer.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Exile LSD: The Law School Years
« on: October 15, 2009, 10:51:31 AM »
moring all

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: SFLSD: Oh! The inhumanities.
« on: October 15, 2009, 10:49:26 AM »
Thanks guys I was within 10 points, pretty sure if I had gotten accomdations I would have passed sicne I ran out of time with one whole essay left and 9 MBE questions. Is what it is, I am reapplying hopefully this time they will grant it.

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Studying for the LSAT / Re: need help! revisiting my plan of action
« on: October 13, 2009, 06:08:53 PM »
I can't give any advice on how to prep for the LSAT as i bombed it myself, but I will say don't take it until your 100% ready. I think making plan this far out is a good idea if you stick to it and ramp up your study as you get closer to the test, you don't want to burn out. As wehn  to take it, if you take in June you have some leyway to retake in Spet if you don't like your score, where if you wait the next test is Dec which is getting late for apps they say. Good luck, take the test when you are ready!

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: SFLSD: Oh! The inhumanities.
« on: October 13, 2009, 11:08:13 AM »
So I start studying for my retake today.  :'(

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2L job search / Re: Question on job offers
« on: October 13, 2009, 10:57:41 AM »
Discord,

Iím certainly not saying your not entitled to being treated as a human being, or that what the firms are doing is in anyway best practices. Iím only saying that its to be expected, and to insist otherwise either is not understanding how things work or wanting your cake and eating too. Are there firms out there who put their employees first AND pay top dollar for the talent. Sure, a few, but not many. OCI being what it is, that the employer picks you rather than the other way around means most folks wonít end up at those firms. As with any large organization human dignity often goes at the expense of profits (see Walmart). Its not any different at a huge law firm than any other large organization driving to maximize income. If you want to get paid top dollar right out of school than something has to give, and many times that is employees personal autonomy.

Iím not saying you canít find a firm that pays you a lot and cares about treating its employees well. They are out there, but what I am saying is that most large firms donít. Your part of the machine that is the firm that is producing the product that is legal advice. Your not, at this point, valued for your individuality or unqiness. You have not developed the skills or reputation to demand that yet right out of law school, you are like everyone else just a cog in the vast machine at this point.

Youíre giving up some of your personal wants and desires for a job that is at the top of the pay scale from the profession. Some sacrifice is going to be necessary, often that sacrifice is people giving up a lot of their personal autonomy for the betterment of the firm. Itís a choice you have to make, if youíre willing to be a cog in the machine for a lot of money or work someplace else where youíre more valued for your individuality for the beginning. 

Its not much different than any large orgizanation, the individual is lost to the totality of the system. Itís the hive mind rather than the individual that makes the whole thing work when youíre talking about 1000+ employees in one corporate hierarchy. That system does not reward indivudlaity at the none management level, hence people are treated more as a means of production than as an individual with wants, desires, and goals outside those of the orgization. They call it firm culture for a reason, because you either buy into and meld or standout. Its not just law firms, all large organizations tend o develop this way. It becomes impersonal, and to outsiders cold, becuase it has to be, you can't form interpersonal relations with 1000 plus pople who tunrover at the rate people do in any large orgization.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Exile LSD: The Law School Years
« on: October 12, 2009, 06:54:14 PM »
afternoon/evening all

Tim,  how'd that pulled pork come out?

Matthies, that totally blows that you were soooo close to passing the bar and probably could have done it with just a few more minutes, especially for the MBE.  Give them hell about accommodations for the next one.  Put together and submit a giant stack of documentary evidence to support your request.  Basically, paper them and be relentless about it, cuz that's what lawyers do!   


yea I'm giving them everything I can find back to when I was seven, plus affidavits from people who know my writing plus anouther test if I have to take one

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2L job search / Re: Question on job offers
« on: October 12, 2009, 06:09:24 PM »

As for alternatives, what good reason do you have for firms being rude or unresponsive?  Or giving you the run around when you ask about status?  I mean, what harm is it to admit they're running a waitlist when all of us know that's what they're doing?  I'm not being contrarian; I honestly cannot come up with anything that isn't totally refutable.


I think a big part of it is THEY donít know what they are doing. Its like that in any large organization, no one really has the power to give you a straight answer unless they have the party line telling them to do so. Problem is party line is changing day by day. Given the economy and the whole hiring model of big law is in an upheaval it may not be that they are purposefully hiding information from you to make your life more complicated it just might be they have no idea whatís coming around the corner and letting associates know whatís up with their app is not a top priority at this point. Sucks to be in that situation sure, but thinking itís a big conspiracy rather than everything is changing day by day seems to me to be a bit self centered, or at least not seeing there is a bigger issue here. To you this is a big huge issue, to the firm its not they got other issues more pressing than summer 2010, does it suck each person has different priorities, yes, but thatís just the way things work when youíre dealing with a behemoth organization that needs twelve approvals before it can do anything. Like I said before they hold all the cards, that's just how the game is played now, is it right or wrong, I don't know nor do I really care, since my beilf in if its right or wrong is not going to change the fact theat they still have all the wpoer and you have to put up with the crap that comes along if you want to play the game.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Exile LSD: The Law School Years
« on: October 12, 2009, 04:31:54 PM »
School will just have to find a way to get by without me tonight.

slacker. Did you get a snow brush yet?

Not yet. But I will. Probably when I have about a half-foot of ice on my windshield.

Oh, and I decided I'm going to Phoenix from Mid-December until after New Year's. How bad an idea is that. Guess I should've asked before arranging all this, huh?

I'll be there for christmas, but what are you going to do in that hell whole for a month?

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