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Current Law Students / Re: Working during law school...need advice!
« on: July 29, 2005, 04:49:37 PM »
I have to disagree with schwing.  Of course, I am an evening student, working full-time, so I may be a little biased.  I currently work in a law firm and participate in hiring of new attorneys and I can honestly say that law review, moot court and internships don't hold a candle to true work experience.  Many law students went to law school directly from undergrad, and thus have no clue what the real world is about.  That said, everyone will be defensive of their choices, so you have to decide what is right for you.  I have a demanding job and I think that forces me to be more organized and budget my time appropriately.  I have many friends who went to LS during the day and said they had a hard time budgeting their time for studying and that evening division students seemed to have more structure.  Just think about people who work full time and have kids.  If you are only juggling a full time job, you have it easier than many evening division students. 

And, trust me, the debt issue is nothing to sneeze at.  I will graduate with FAR less debt than most LS graduates I know, and they are still struggling to pay their loans, buy houses, etc.  When you get out of LS and get your first job, moot court, law review and internships won't mean much when you have to take a substantial chunk of money off the top of your salary.  Besides, nothing about law school really matters after you get your first job.  After that, we only look for what type of experience you have and how much. 

Current Law Students / Re: Solo practice
« on: July 27, 2005, 09:33:40 AM »
I would really recommend NOT going into private practice right out of law school.  However, I really do admire people who are bold and courageous enough to start their own businesses.  The reason I recommend not starting your own practice is that from working in a law firm, I can see that new lawyers have absolutely no clue how to be lawyers.  Law school is great and teaches you to think analytically and teaches you some practical lawyering techniques (advocacy, etc..), but it does not prepare you for what you will encounter on a daily basis in the real world.  I think working in a law firm for even one year would give you the basic information you need if you really want to go out on your own.  There is so much to learn in this business, it is a constant education, and I can't imagine trying to conquer the law on my own right out of law school.  That said, do what makes you happy- whatever floats your boat! 

I agree with you. Although I would like to think that after I get home on class nights, I will study for another hour or so, I guarantee you I will be hitting the hay as well.  My schedule is similar- 3 nights/week from 6:30-9:30.  Somewhat manageable, I think....

I will be working full-time and attending law school at night (3 nights/week).  I think it is completely manageable, especially if you are a non-traditional student because typically we know how to manage our time better than those straight out of undergrad. I will attend class three nights a week and study on one of the off-nights.  The other off-night I will keep free to relax my brain!  I plan on studying on the weekends, probably 6-8 hours on Saturday and Sunday.  I have been told to treat it like a job, so I will probably get up early on the weekends, study and then relax in the evenings.  Luckily, I don't have any kids, so I should be able to still have somewhat of a life.

I applied to one school in my area, because of my job.  It is a T2 school, and I will be attending the evening division.  From talking to other law students, it is evident why evening division students often perform better in law school.  The reason is that evening division students have an average of only 3 subjects to concentrate on at any one time, whereas day students have to concentrate on at least 5.  The first year of law school is difficult already, and I honestly cannot imagine studying Contracts, Torts, Criminal Law, Civil Procedure, Legal Process and Property all at once!  No thanks!  Even if I wasn't working at a great job that I didn't want to leave, I still might not want to take that on. 

I am in the same boat.  I'm 26,  have a house and husband, no kids. I will be working full-time while in law school to support the fam. I am a paralegal, so my work will not be completely irrelevant to my future career as a lawyer.  Also, I am already on the "partner track" without even being an attorney yet.  From what I hear, the students that work full-time or have families or both seem to do better in law school.  I think when you are forced to manage your time, you manage it much better.  Personally, I don't think I would get any more studying done if I went to law school full-time and quit working.  I would just watch more soap operas and reality TV shows!!  Ha Ha

That is definitely true.  My friends that are not in the legal field are very supportive.  I have been in the legal field for a few years and it is such a game most of the time! However, the partner at the firm where I work is very supportive and he is the one who pointed out that those attorneys may be unhappy with their work and are probably jealous that I am so psyched about LS and love the type of law we practice.   

...congrats an all your admits! 

I wanted to start a thread to see if any of you have experienced what I have.... mostly newer lawyers telling you that LS sucks and your life is going to suck during LS.  From what I can tell there are two theories for this phenomenon:(1)  those people are terribly unhappy being lawyers and/or hate the firm where they are working; or (2)  this is the beginning of competitiveness and they are just trying to psych us out.  I have many friends who are lawyers and only one has been unconditionally supportive.  From all the others I get patronizing comments like "...I wouldn't change places with you for anything..." and "...are you ready to start your career?..."  (which is very insulting considering I am a non-trad with a great career already!)


I am in a similar situation...dreamed of law school for a long time and made excuses for not going (too much $$$, career woman or stay-at-home mom? etc.).  I am a bit younger than most "non-trads" (26, will be 27 when entering LS) married with no kids.  I will be attending the evening division while continuing to work full time as a paralegal. I feel like having work experience is a highly sought after feature among the sea of wide-eyed, overly optimistic, never paid a bill in my life (mortgage, what's a mortgage....), recent college graduates.  I have been out of college for a few years and have supported myself by working full time throughout.  From most LS grads I have talked to, their observation in LS was the older students with life experience seemed to cope better with the rigors of law school and understood what to study and what not to bother with.  They also had a greater frame of reference for what they were learning and were able to understood how it all fits together (we'll learn all about outlines in LS from what I hear).  With your stats, I wouldn't worry too much about getting into LS.  Your LSAT is great and your work experience is diverse.  As long as your personal statement is decent, I think you have a great shot at those schools.  Good Luck!

I love my cat too! We got him from the Persian Cat Rescue.  He was abused by an animal shelter that got shut down.  He was kept in a cage for 6 months before he was rescued.  He is now extremely friendly, needy and spoiled! 

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