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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Anyone else going to GULC?
« on: May 03, 2005, 05:11:14 PM »
ethelmag, do you plan to drive to class everyday, or are you going to metro on weekdays and use your car primarily for weekends and grocery shopping? when i visited the school in january, all the spots near gulc seemed to be metered. i assume that the garage in the basement is for faculty/staff only. just wondering where are you going to park your car if you're going to drive to school.

i will not be living on-campus because i'm old and probably don't fit into the dorm culture too well. i'm still debating on city (anywhere along the red line between dupont and bethesda) vs. the burbs (nova). it'd be cool to live in the city, experience urban life, and walk everywhere, but suburbs have their advantages as well -- quieter, cheaper, safer, etc. so i guess i'm still torn.

No, I'm definitely going to metro to school. I wouldn't want to try to park in the city on a regular basis.

By the time you get out to Bethesda on the red line, it's pretty suburban.

My husband and I just this morning put down a deposit on an apartment in the Crystal City area of Arlington, VA. Yay!

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Anyone else going to GULC?
« on: May 03, 2005, 02:49:57 PM »

also, i'm wondering if anyone plans to bring his/her car to dc in the fall? i'm having a really hard time deciding whether or not i should sell my car before moving east. i know that dc has an excellent metro system, but i really enjoy the convenience of having a car. is it really a bad idea?

Hi, welcome!

Whether you should have a car in DC really depends on where you want to live. If you're going to be living in the dorms, I'd say don't bother. Also if you're going to get your own apartment somewhere in the city, a car shouldn't be necessary. Plus, it's really expensive to keep a car in the city - in the hundreds of dollars a month for garage parking, plus parking fees wherever you drive to.

On the other hand, I'm a suburban type, and I'm going to rent an apartment in Arlington and bring a car. Most apartments outside the city offer either free parking or relatively cheap ($25-$50) monthly rates. Plus, with the more-spread-out-ness of suburban life, a car becomes useful for picking up groceries, going to the movies, etc. But I still plan to use the metro to get to school and back.

If you anticipate occasional trips outside convenient metro-accessible places, or having to transport heavy things every once in a while, you might want to look into the ZipCar and FlexCar services: and

Taking notes by hand also has the benefit of reducing distractions. No Internet, and no solitaire - imagine what the professor would think if you started dealing out a physical deck of cards in the middle of class.

While the Internet is probably more of a net distraction than an aid, I have heard that students sometimes help each other during class by IMing suggested answers to the student who was called on by the professor.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Anyone else going to GULC?
« on: April 29, 2005, 03:27:04 PM »
I believe I am headed to GULC in the fall also.  I just sent in my housing "processing fee" so hopefully I'll be able to live in student housing...the thought of searching for an apartment in a city I know nothing about does not exactly appeal to me.

It seems like a lot of people are very intrigued by the idea of curriculum B, but I thought it was a pretty small group of students in this section?  Do you have to apply to B?

And is anyone else so tired of hearing about how competitive GULC is?

Curriculum B is 1 section out of I think 4 full-time first year sections. Georgetown being a huge school, that means a little more than 100 people are in Curriculum B. I guess if too many people wanted it they would have a lottery or something, but I haven't heard about that happening in the past.

And yes, I'm totally sick of hearing about the competitiveness thing.


The faculty at GULC are overwhelmingly and soul-crushingly liberal. As one professor I talked to put it, "Our intellectual diversity runs the gamut from Marxists to moderate Democrats."

The students are, in general, somewhat less liberal than the faculty. They're about what you'd get at any top university or law school.

Perhaps you are thinking of George Mason, a much more conservative school in the DC area.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Anyone else going to GULC?
« on: April 29, 2005, 08:44:50 AM »
wow thanks!

do you think it would be helpful to do b if you are interested in trial work?

That sounds like exactly the type of question that would be good to post on the message board.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Anyone else going to GULC?
« on: April 29, 2005, 08:17:20 AM »

congrats *dap*  i was thinking about the cirriculum B also, because i am not going to take the bar in DC and would like to know the concepts and thinking behind the law since that is what seems to be applicable everywhere.  or do i have the wrong impression of the difference between a and b?

The difference between the two curricula doesn't have anything to do with how applicable the education is to the law in different states. As I understand it, almost everything you learn in law school is federal, mostly based on Supreme Court cases, maybe with a few notes about state law exceptions for the state you're in (especially at regional schools?). Both A and B should give you a nationwide understanding of the law, as well as the important concepts behind it.

As I understand it, the difference in Curriculum B is that, instead of spending all your time figuring out what the black letter law is and going through the minutia of different rules, you do a quicker overview of the black letter law and then spend much more time thinking about the concepts behind it, ways it could have come out different, whether the application of the law by the Supreme Court is really what Congress intended, and so forth. When I visited GULC (I sat in on a class from each section), I learned that most Curriculum B classes don't even use a regular legal casebook. Instead, they have xeroxed packets. I looked through the one belonging to the student sitting next to me - it had cases, of course, but it also had history essays, political theory papers, etc. I was told that the reading for the first day of class was from Thoreau's Civil Disobedience.

So, for people who just want to practice regular law, Curriculum B may be a waste of time (depending on what your personal interests are). But for people who have an interest in academia, a lot of interdisciplinary interests, a more philosophical temperament, etc., I think it's a good choice.

A group of radical Curriculum B students have set up a website to inform others / incite change / share class information. It's useful, but take it with a grain of salt: These seem to be the most radical of the bunch, and they have a particular vision not only of what B is, but of what it should be.

There's also a Curriculum B student with a blog who occasionally writes about why B is good/different. Here's his archive of B stuff:

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Anyone else going to GULC?
« on: April 29, 2005, 06:13:10 AM »
I'm going to Georgetown.

I've been doing a lot of thinking about Curriculum B, and I'm almost certain I'm going to sign up for it. I've talked to a lot of current students in the program and in the traditional curriculum, and it sounds like the interdisciplinary approach is just what I'm looking for. (I seriously considered applying to political theory PhD programs instead of law school.) Is anyone else here considering/definitely signing up for Curriculum B? Also, does anyone know when we make that choice? Is it with the second tuition deposit?

I'm also potentially interested in the Federal Legislation Clinic. My first job out of college was as an assistant policy analyst for a think tank, and though I liked the goal of influencing legislation (and public opinion), I consistently felt like I couldn't do a good job because I didn't know enough about the law. It might be good to try again with more knowledge and guidance. However, I am concerned that since my politics are quite different from the predominating liberal mindset of Georgetown, I would have to work on legislation I am personally opposed to. I guess I'll be talking to some people who have been through the program about that when it's time to sign up for clinics.

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: TEST FOR INCOMING 1L's
« on: April 28, 2005, 08:02:17 AM »
The kid in the hypo didn't just assume a risk as opposed to staying in a safe place. It's pretty dangerous for a teenage boy to be outside, in the dark, in the middle of nowhere. The next car that came along could have been driven by a pedophile, or a homocidal maniac. Or nobody could have come along, and he could have gotten hypothermia.

Since he was in a position where he had to choose between two risks (staying outside at night or getting in a car with someone who had been drinking), I think one could make a case that he chose the lesser of the two.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Housing In D.C.
« on: April 27, 2005, 05:21:02 PM »
I think GW rents out dorms in the summer.

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