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General Off-Topic Board / Dr. Pepper -- love it or hate it?
« on: November 09, 2005, 05:18:58 PM »
This is perhaps the most polarizing soft drink on the market today, folks.  People either think it's the best stuff ever or the worst stuff ever.  Where do YOU stand.  There is NO middle ground.

There seems to be a lot of confusion about Dean's Certificates, so I'm going to create an FAQ thread.  I will start, and others will post other helpful information and hints, since I can't do it alone.  Anything not related to the topic at hand will be deleted to keep this as clear as possible.  Thanks.

What is it?

A Dean's Certificate is a form that some schools require in order to verify you are or were in good standing at your academic institution(s).

Which schools require it?

This is a pretty accurate list.  Thanks for Jason240 for posting.

Boston University
Campbell Law School
Cardozo (Required only if the applicant has had academic or disciplinary sanctions.)
Columbia (from every school you have or will get a degree from, including graduate schools)
Duke (If accepted, certification will be required prior to matriculation.)
Georgetown (only for transfer/visiting students)
Harvard (from every school you have or will get a degree from, including graduate schools)
University of Memphis
New York University (Required after an applicant is accepted and chooses to attend NYU, or if the applicant has had academic or disciplinary sanctions.)
U Penn (Required after an applicant is accepted and chooses to attend U Penn.)
University of Richmond
University of South Carolina
Suffolk University
Wake Forest (Required after an applicant is accepted and chooses to attend Wake Forest.)
University of Washington

Can I send it through LSAC on the web?

No.  You must print out each individual school's form, if they have any, and take it to the appropriate office at your school to have it sent.

What office is that?

It varies from school to school.  Try the Dean's office of the division or college from which you are graduating.

Is it necesary for my application to be considered "complete."

In most cases, yes, but always check with the school.

Is it okay to send it before I send my application?

Again, always check with the school.  Some for a fact say it is fine, but check to be sure.

Carry on!

Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Does AA help *TOO* much?
« on: October 27, 2005, 09:51:40 PM »
Let me preface this discussion with a caveat:  this will not turn into a hatefest.  I will not hesitate to lock and/or delete this, so lets keep things civil.

Now, I have ALWAYS been a supporter of AA.  My understanding of it, however, has been more of a "benefit of the doubt" and/or "tiebreaker" sort of thing.  But, at least with law school, it seems almost as if it helps too much and that could be a disservice in the long run.  For instance, I'd have no problem whatsoever if a URM with a 161 and 3.5 got into a school I wanted to get into over me.  To me, that's fair.  It's within the margin of error and that's the benefit of the doubt.  What I have a harder time understanding is the huge boost some get, sometimes even the equivalent of 10+ points.   I don't think typical 164s, URM or not and barring any extraordinary circumstances (there will always be some amazing stories), should be regularly getting in to HYSCCN.  That, to me, is stretching it.  What are your thoughts?

The due date is tomorrow, Monday 10 Oct., 11:59pm Eastern time.  Since it is tomorrow, an overnight form will not do -- you must fax.

Canceling Your Score

Scores Canceled by Candidate
There are two ways you can cancel your score:

   1. Complete the score cancellation section on the LSAT answer sheet at the test center. You must blacken both bubbles in the Score Cancellation Section. Sign your name in full to the certifying statement and the date.

      Your LSAT answer sheet will contain a section allowing you to cancel your score; instructions are provided on the answer sheet. All such instructions must be followed completely, or your attempt to cancel will not be effective and your score will be reported. Answer sheet score cancellations are processed with the answer sheets themselves, so you will not receive confirmation of your score cancellation until four to five weeks after the test. Thus, there is no opportunity to remedy incomplete or improper answer sheet score cancellations.

   2. Send a written cancellation request to LSAC after the test.

If you cancel your score, you will not receive a score or copy of your answer sheet. You will receive written notification of a score cancellation and, if you took a disclosed test, you will receive a copy of the test questions and the credited responses for the scored sections as well. Law school reports will reflect that your score was canceled at your request; this advises the law schools that you were exposed to test questions. There are no refunds for canceled scores. Valid score cancellation requests are irreversible and cannot be rescinded.

It is your responsibility to ensure that your score cancellation was received and properly processed by LSAC. Once scores are released, they become a permanent part of your record and cannot be canceled for any reason.

Scores Canceled by LSAC
LSAC reserves the right to cancel or withhold test scores if, in its sole opinion, there is adequate reason to question their validity, or for other reasons.

Scores canceled by LSAC generally fall into two categories:

   1. Scores may be canceled because of unusual and extraordinary circumstances, such as faulty test materials. In such cases, LSAC notifies law schools of the cancellation and arranges a retest at no charge on the next regularly scheduled test date.

   2. LSAC will investigate and reserves the right to cancel any test score if, in the opinion of LSAC, there is any question as to its validity. When LSAC questions the validity of a score, LSAC notifies the test taker of the reasons for questioning the score and provides options appropriate to the specific circumstances.

LSAC discourages the use of LSAT scores for purposes other than the admission to law school. Thus, you should not list your LSAT score on your résumé or use it in applying to other graduate or professional school programs.

Written Cancellation Requests
Written requests for score cancellation must be received by LSAC within nine calendar days of the test. LSAT score cancellation requests must be submitted to LSAC in the form of a signed fax, overnight letter, or expedited, mailed score cancellation form (distributed at the test center). Requests received after this deadline are not valid and will not be processed. No other form of score cancellation request—such as e-mail, mailgram, voice mail, or telegram—will be accepted, as all score cancellation requests must include the test taker’s signature. Valid score cancellation requests must include:

    * your statement that you wish to cancel your LSAT score

    * your name, LSAC account number, and Social Security or Canadian Social Insurance number

    * the test date and test center name and code number

    * your signature (unsigned cancellation requests will not be processed)

Send your request to:
Law School Admission Council
Score Cancellation
662 Penn Street
Box 2000-T
Newtown, PA 18940-0995
or fax 215.968.1277

Shortly after your score cancellation request is processed, LSAC will mail you a confirmation. If you do not receive this confirmation within five calendar days after your request was submitted, contact LSAC immediately to verify that your request was processed. You can confirm processing of your score cancellation request at in the Account Status section of your online account. You may also call 215.968.1001. Allow at least three days for your request to be processed before you call.

If it appears that your score cancellation request was not received by the deadline or has not been processed, you may submit proof that you sent, and that LSAC received, your request within the required period. It is your responsibility to keep proof of LSAC’s receipt of your cancellation request. However, no such documentation will be accepted beyond 15 calendar days after the test. Note: LSAC recommends that you keep proof that your score cancellation request was successfully transmitted to LSAC by the nine-calendar-day deadline, as well as a photocopy of your score cancellation request.

Studying for the LSAT / Help me determine my potential score/cancel help
« on: October 03, 2005, 06:54:12 PM »
Yeah, I know these topics are annoying, but I'm indulging myself.  Help me out here.

LR:  4-6 wrong total
RC:  4-6 wrong total
LG:  5-7 wrong total; missed the voltage rule, but still got at least three right on that game.  Rushed through supervisors because of voltage messup.  Maybe a silly mistake on another but mostly good.

So, we're looking at best case, 13 wrong, worst case probably 19.  I got a 164 in June.  The only way I'd cancel is if I got a 162 or lower.  Since 163 and 164 still averages to 164, I could live with that (though admittedly I'd be unhappy).  What makes this hard is the scale.  19 wrong in June is a 162 I believe.  And that would be worst case worst case, since the scale would have to be as bad and I'd have to get all those wrong.  I guess I'm sane in not cancelling, right?  Best case scenario would be perhaps 167, though that's doubtful.  All in all very disappointed since I was aiming for 170 but please reassure me my score probably didn't go down.

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