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It's legit...one of my friends works for LSAC and sent it to us.

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Current Law Students / Moron Tries to Bribe LSAC Employee for Copy of LSAT
« on: February 12, 2007, 10:06:08 AM »
Not sure if this has been posted already:

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/111-02092007-1296762.html

DA says man tried to steal law school test

By LAURIE MASON
Bucks County Courier Times

An aspiring attorney is in trouble with the law, accused of trying to cheat his way into a better law school.

Kevin Siangchin, 30, of North Plainfield, N.J., was arrested Thursday and charged with trying to bribe an employee of the Law School Admissions Council in Newtown Township to sell him an advance copy of the Law School Admission Test for $5,000.

Siangchin allegedly took the standardized test, which is required to get into law school, twice before and wanted to take it again to improve his score.

The test is so highly guarded that it is insured against theft and fraud for $1 million. When an LSAC employee found a note with $100 taped to her car, asking to talk to her later, she immediately called police.

“This is just about the most stupid thing I have ever seen,” District Attorney Diane Gibbons said. “When we got the call about the note and money, we thought we had a stalker or a wealthy but mentally ill person. We were blown away by how stupid this guy was.”

According to a police report, Siangchin asked the LSAC employee to contact him via e-mail. A detective, posing as the employee, contacted him and he laid out his request.

Siangchin, an engineer, used the name John Galt on the e-mail. John Galt is a character in the Ayn Rand novel “Atlas Shrugged,” about an engineer who designed a revolutionary new motor powered by ambient static electricity with the potential to change the world.

A female detective pretended to be the LSAC employee and met Siangchin on Wednesday at an area McDonald’s. He showed up with the cash, concealed inside a copy of The Economist magazine, and slid it across the table. The detective handed him a copy of the test and Siangchin walked to his car, where he was arrested.
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According to police, Siangchin told detectives that he knew he was doing something wrong but that he “really wanted a good score.”

Police said Siangchin added that with 120,000 people across the country taking the exam, “putting himself ahead in such a large group would make no difference.”

After his arrest, Siangchin asked detectives for his money back, police reports said.

Siangchin is charged with potential to change the world.

A female detective pretended to be the LSAC employee and met Siangchin on Wednesday at an area McDonald’s. He showed up with the cash, concealed inside a copy of The Economist magazine, and slid it across the table. The detective handed him a copy of the test and Siangchin walked to his car, where he was arrested.

According to police, Siangchin told detectives that he knew he was doing something wrong but that he “really wanted a good score.”

Police said Siangchin added that with 120,000 people across the country taking the exam, “putting himself ahead in such a large group would make no difference.”

After his arrest, Siangchin asked detectives for his money back, police reports said.

Siangchin is charged with attempted theft, criminal solicitation, criminal use of a communication device, and unlawful use of a computer.

He was released on $100,000 bail. If convicted, Siangchin could be sentenced to up to seven years in prison.

Siangchin did not respond to an e-mail seeking comment.

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Susan,

One of my two career aspirations are to either hang a shingle and make a good living or to become a judge. I've glimpsed over your responses, and the only benefits to opening a private practice out of school have seemed to been the simple fact that it can be done without you getting sued. Why is it better to open one right out of school than gaining a year or two of experience doing research, etc?

My concerns with opening a private practice out of school are the following:

#1 Debt: I'm staring at $120K coming out of school. While it's possible to start a booming private practice, it's also very possible that the practice will flop. More private businesses tend to flop than thrive nowadays, and while selling "legal services" is different from opening up a pizza shop, the risk is still there. Should I really be taking out more money to startup coming out of school...or take a few years off, get my student loans down to a reasonable figure, then open up shop? Also, I've heard that there is one lawyer for every 27 people in my hometown...not sure if that's true but judging by the amount of shingles hanging, I wouldn't doubt it completely.

#2 Research: While I did well in legal writing, I am still by no means a confident researcher. How do you build upon this skill on your own as a solo practitioner coming straight out of law school? Wouldn't you be better served by at least doing a clerkship for a year then transitioning?

#3 Appearance: I'm 25, but look like I'm 17 or 18. This will be great when I'm 40, but doesn't exactly help professionally when you're my age. I think it will be very hard to build up a clientele without some prior experience based on this alone.

To make a long story short, it seems like you can minimize all risks with a year or two of experience rather than to go straight from law school to being a solo practitioner. I'm not really seeing where the extra year or two of your life is such a big deal in the grand scheme of things. I'd appreciate any light you have to shed on this topic. Thanks.

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Current Law Students / Re: how good an indicator is the LSAT score really?
« on: February 06, 2007, 10:20:48 AM »
You can't infer a faulty correlation from a single data point. 

Also, your LSAT score likely placed you at a school where students have similar scores.  Thus, the correlation between scores and grades will be lower than if you were competing with a random sample of students from all law schools.

While your LSAT score places you at a school where students have similar scores, you can still prove the correlation wrong. I'm assuming that the OP with a 143 was probably in the bottom 10% of her entering class at her school...and according to that statistic should have grades in the bottom 10% of her class. Her grades are probably good enough to place her from anywhere in the top third to top 15% of her class.

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Transferring / Re: 3.93 at low T1: Advice please
« on: January 29, 2007, 09:53:57 AM »
yahoo groups has a transfer database where people list their GPA's and ranks and where they were admitted to. Transfers should start there, then ask specific questions...not just "hey my grades are good where can I go?"

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Current Law Students / Re: D in Torts
« on: January 24, 2007, 03:19:25 PM »
Things are looking pretty grim.  I'm a P/T evening student who earned a D in Torts.  Oh, by the way, I go to a tier 4 school. 

The worst part is, I know the material.  I just lost track of time on the three hour test, which determined the entire course grade. 

I had thought of a summer abroad program.  That's out.  Transferring to a better school.  That's out.
Working in a relatively large firm right after graduation. OUT.

So, here I sit, debts growing, wondering if I'll lose out on  future exams b/c of bad timing....

My other courses last the full year, so I have no definite grades in them, but my grades on those mid-terms were just above (Contracts) and just below (Civ. Pro) the class average.   

This is a bump in the road, I guess, but I'm really stuck weighing the consequences of it all. 

I'd love to hear from any others who've dug out of this kind of jam, or just have some thoughtful feedback.



Never got a D, but I did receive a C- in criminal law which is the next closest thing. Still managed to transfer to a T2 from a T4. You will need to see improvement from your first to your second semester, which is definitely possible if you get the timing down and bust your hump this semester. Upon getting accepted, I asked the dean out of curiosity whether or not they considered the C-...and he basically said he glanced at it but wrote it off as an anomaly. They will do the same for you.

As mentioned by lawlady...if you know your stuff, the key for you will be to do practice exams. This will not only help you hash over the material, but will allow you to get your timing down.

Stop worrying about the D. You can't change it now. Stop worrying about working at a big firm. Probably wont happen unless your in the top 5% at your school anyway. Stop worrying about an abroad program, which will be little more than an overpriced vacation. Your #1 concern at this point should be "what can I do to improve upon my exam performance and get the f- out of here". Are you considering a transfer for location purposes, prestige, or both?

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Current Law Students / Re: any T4 to low T1 transfer stories
« on: January 24, 2007, 01:18:41 PM »
Isn't it the case that some T4s have particularly bad reputation, such as Cooley or New England. 

I'd say there's a split between some T4's. I went to Capital in which people in the top half of the class managed to land summer firm jobs locally. I'm not sure whether the numbers were played with or what not, but apparently their bar passage rate during the last bar exam was 87%. Who knows

Michigan State has the name recognition. Franklin Pierce has a great IP/Patent law reputation. West Virginia has some name recognition, and is the only law school in the state. I'm inclined to guess that WVU grads do well within the state. Same for Wyoming. 

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Current Law Students / Re: any T4 to low T1 transfer stories
« on: January 23, 2007, 07:29:38 PM »
Hi everyone -  I guess the is the start of your rags to riches story - law school edition.

LSAT was a nightmare for me - took it twice - got a 147 first time around, scored a 149 second time around. Someone must have been smiling on me one day, becuase I was accepted to a T4 in Massachusetts last fall.

I'm currently enrolled in the PT program, and mid-term grades have been released. I scored a 90 in CivPro, 92 in Contracts, 93 in LRW and 94 in Torts. I would have chalked it up to luck if it weren't for the consistency in my grades. 

Here is my question - assuming I can keep up my level of performance, what do people think my chances are in transferring to UCONN Law (#50 ranking) next fall?



GPA/rank?

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Transferring / Re: Will Law Review Boost My Transfer Options\Chances?
« on: January 22, 2007, 07:22:37 PM »
Thanks for a view from the other side of the argument. This option IS available to me next semester if I choose to remain here. My grades are fine ( I DID book legal writing, so...), I'm in the top 10%, looking to reach up, not a lateral transfer. Though I haven't spoken about this to a transfer advisor, everyone seems to take law review as a big accomplishment. But, the time factor is clearly what is being weighed here-

With the law review option as a 2L and a top 10% class rank available to you in your absolute worst case scenario, you will still have a competitive edge over most of your peers at your current school in terms of job opportunities.

On the other hand, I really can't see any benefit in beginning law review early if you're looking to jump from a T4 to a mid to low T1. Sure it might help you in your 1L summer job search. However, schools aren't really looking for 1L law review credentials when assessing transfer students, and you'll have to write on at your new school regardless. If joining law review causes you to even see 1/2 a letter grade reduction in any one of your classes, to me it's not worth it. And provided you're not looking to jump from a T4 to a T14, it seems like doing all that extra work will be for nothing.

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Current Law Students / Re: Chances of transferring from a T4 to a T2
« on: January 22, 2007, 07:08:16 PM »
We just got all of our grades and my cumulative for this semester was a 3.1 on a 2.8 curve. I did really well in 3 classes and not so well in 2 others which brought down my GPA. If I bring my grades up next semester, what are my chances of transferring to a tier 2? Any opinions or experiences would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you! :)

I got into my T2 from a T4 with just under a 3.2 on a 2.67 curve (top 30%). Started out with a 3.0 (top 45% or so) and improved second semester. Had one really crappy grade which I'm sure the adcomms threw out. Since you did really well in three classes, you're obviously capable of doing well on all your exams next semester. If you can find a balance, there's no reason you can't nail a 3.3 or higher, which would put you in a great position to transfer to a T2. Even if you received another 3.1, you'd still have a fairly decent shot at a T2. At the end of the day, schools are looking for three things: (1) why does this person want to come here (2) can they handle the workload (3) can they pass the bar. Ask for LOR's in February and get in your apps early. While they won't start reviewing them until June, it can't hurt to show them that you're serious about coming there.

Drbuff...you have no reason to be concerned whatsoever being in the top 1% of your class. One of my friends was ranked 3/154 and got into Michigan. I managed to squeak my way into a T3 that hadn't accepted a transfer student in over three years and my grades weren't even close to yours. Any T2 would have to be on crack not to admit you, regardless of their rigid transfer policies.

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