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Current Law Students / Re: Appalachian..Florida Coastal...Barry Law..
« on: March 21, 2007, 04:06:18 PM »
Appalachian..Florida Coastal...Barry Law..

Ok, so I already know that these schools may be at the bottom of most peoples lists but I was wondering if anyone on here either attends one of these schools or plans to in the fall. I got accepted to all three, but I am  still waiting to hear from 6 other schools; One in New york, two in NC and a couple others in Florida. I really wanted some advice from anyone that has any information about any of these schools. If I don't get in any other schools I def. WILL be attending one of the three so I just need a little more information.  I appreciate any info you can offer. Thanks.

Dont want to burst your bubble about Florida Coastal, but one of the transfer students at my current school attended Florida Coastal. He said that the curve was ridiculously low. He said he was just below a 3.0 and was in the top 20% of the class. He also mentioned that the school fails out a ton of people, and even in your 2L year, you're still subject to the same strict/low curve as your first year.

Law School Admissions / Re: Rejections from Law Schools
« on: March 19, 2007, 08:14:06 PM »
Hi, thanks for your response. 
Yes, I am a minority.

I have employment/experience history from law firms working as a Bankruptcy Legal Assistant (I didn't do filing or any regular assistant duties) My duties were reviewing motions and stipulations for 17 states nationwide.  I also have experience in Healthcare, Background investigations for nuclear power plants and currently working as a loan officer for a mortgage company.  I have been working since 19 and I am not 27. 

Here are the lists of the schools I am still waiting on.
Golden Gate University
Southwestern Law
St. Thomas University
Indiana University - Indianapolis
University of Baltimore

I just recently applied to the following schools below:
Florida Coastal School of Law
Texas Southern University
University of La Verne

I seriously don't know if my school has anything to do with this because I believe that I am the first graduate to attend law school from my undergrad school. I also was thinking if its my major in Psychology.  I don't know anymore to tell you honestly.  But I have made some plan B's.  I was thinking of pursuing another Bachelor's degree in Business from a California State University and review the LSAT and re-take it again for the second time.  What do you think I should do?

Could be falling for the biggest flame ever being that you've started 3/4 different threads asking essentially the same question

Don't see the point in pursuing another degree...add Cooley and other low T4's to the list and pray...otherwise take a year off and reapply

Law School Admissions / Re: Rejections from Law Schools
« on: March 19, 2007, 06:46:34 PM »
I'm not sure if this is a flame or not, but I'll bite on this being real. I'm not sure what your safeties are, but if you shot for anything higher than a T4, you wont get in. And to be brutally honest, most T4's are probably a stretch for you at this point. Couple of questions/suggestions

1. Are you a minority student?

2. Did you apply to Cooley/Appalachian Law?

3. How many times did you take the LSAT?

If you're a minority and you applied to Cooley/Appalachian/Regent or a similarly situated T4 school, then I think you have a 50/50 shot at getting into one of those. Otherwise, my best suggestion for you would be to hire a tutor and retake the LSAT this summer and reapply. If it makes you feel any better, I scored a 139 on my first practice LSAT, and was able to bring that up to a 151 when I took the actual test. If you could pull yourself into the 150 range, bringing your average up to a 146/147, then you'll stand a better shot. A last ditch option is to wait the couple of years it takes for your LSAT to expire, gain work experience, and retake the test and reapply. Good luck

When you factor in pension and the other govt benefits, a $55K salary is more like a $65-80K per year salary. That and you can work relatively normal hours and have a life. My father is an asst prosecutor...on the low end of the pay scale for lawyers overall...but will retire with something in the ball park of 70-75% of his highest salary as pension. If you start fresh out of school and stay at your govt job, it's possible to retire before 50...leaving you free to do other part time work so you can net "two incomes"

I'm not sure about the $6K per year towards your student loans, but if that's the case, that's not too bad. If you're $120K in debt, and you shell out $6K of your income (or even half or lower if your spouse is contributing), then you can essentially pay off your loans between 10-15 years...which beats the 30 year repayment plan

Current Law Students / Re: What to do the summer before law school?
« on: March 05, 2007, 08:38:49 AM »
Have fun, get wasted, enjoy leisure reading if that's your thing. Don't read law school prep books, E&E, or take any law school prep courses. You don't need any of that to do well in law school.

Transferring / Re: Chances of transferring - T4 currently top 30%
« on: February 23, 2007, 12:22:31 PM »

I'm currently a 1L at Chapman in the top 30% (3.0 cum on a 2.8 curve); I am in the top 10% in 2 of my classes including LRW. I love the school but I want to transfer to a school with better post-graduation opportunities. What are my chances of transferring to USD/Pepperdine/Loyola? If my chances of transferring aren't good right now, what cum gpa/what rank do I have to have to make my chances of transferring better? I've already posted to the Yahoo! transfer group & I really didn't get much of a response so I though I'd see what everyone over here has to say.

Thanks everyone! :)

I posted my results on the yahoo database, but I also transferred from a T4 to a PSU (same rank as Pepperdine), and received an acceptance to Seton Hall (close in rank to Loyola/USD). I had a year of work experience and two decent LOR's. I was in the top 31% with a 3.2 on a 2.7 curve. I think if you maintain your GPA, you have a good shot at Pepperdine, and if you're able to improve, you'll have a good shot at Loyola/USD. Keep working hard.

Couple of suggestions, things to think about:
1. I'd suggest getting your applications out sooner than later...not that they'll accept you anytime soon but just to show the interest.

2. I'd also call and speak to one of the directors/deans of admission to gauge how transfer friendly they are (how many applied last year and how many accepted, what gpa's they're looking for, etc).

3. Also, do you have reasons that you want to transfer into those schools other than better job prospects? I'd highlight those as well in your PS.

4. Do you have any low grades? Like a C or lower? I didn't try to "explain away" my low grade through an addendum, but the dean of the school I was accepted to confirmed what I thought...that he wrote the low grade off as an anomaly. If you have one bad grade, and dont get any more bad grades, schools might completely write it off, and might look at you as having a better rank/GPA than a 3.0 and top 30%.

Hope this helps. Good luck..

Transferring / Re: Transfer Applications and "What If's".....
« on: February 20, 2007, 12:00:24 PM »
I jumped from T4 to low T2 with 3.2 and top 33%. Girl in my study group jumped from T4 to UM with a 3.9 and top 5%. Place in the top third or so and you can most likely get into any T3 and many low to mid T2's.

Transferring / Re: T3 w/ 2.2 to t1 or top 50?
« on: February 16, 2007, 05:44:01 PM »
To give you some hope, one of my friends transferred into PSU with either a 2.8 or 2.9 (cant remember which one she said) on B- curve (URM status). So if you're able to get your GPA up to that range, you might have a shot at a transfer friendly T2. Otherwise, just stay put and get the degree.

The OP said that he is at a Tier 3 and PSU was a Tier 3 not long ago and currently a low Tier 2. Unless because of location, I see no reason for OP to transfer to PSU. 

What school did your friend transferred from to PSU? 

She transferred from a T4 with a 2.8/2.9. I wasn't saying the OP should transfer to PSU, but to a transfer friendly school like PSU if he/she really wants to transfer out of his/her current school.

For what it's worth, the Dickinson School of Law was a T3. The PSU Dickinson School of Law is a rising T2 that has gone out of its way to acquire a great faculty, and will begin construction on a $50 million building in University Park soon. Had the 2nd highest bar passage rates in PA last year, and the qualifications of incoming students continues to improve. I'll be shocked if it stayed a low T2 for very long.

Transferring / Re: T3 w/ 2.2 to t1 or top 50?
« on: February 15, 2007, 07:52:26 PM »
I would say that with all A's, you'd have an outside shot at a T1 with a good personal statement indicating reasons for improvement. I'd say you have pretty much no chance at a T1 or top 50, and to be honest if you're barely passing at a T3, you'd likely have even greater trouble cutting it at a T1. Many people with a 2.2 at a T3/T4 would be considering dropping out at this point, so I wouldn't even think about transferring at this point.

To give you some hope, one of my friends transferred into PSU with either a 2.8 or 2.9 (cant remember which one she said) on B- curve (URM status). So if you're able to get your GPA up to that range, you might have a shot at a transfer friendly T2. Otherwise, just stay put and get the degree.

Online Law Schools / Re: Stop Hiding behind your ABA school...
« on: February 15, 2007, 05:50:03 PM »
I just wanted to write something here because I think it is absolutely ridiculous for ABA students to critize DL students. For one, we ALL take the bar exam. Just because you attend Harvard or Yale doesn't mean you will pass the bar OR even be a good attorney.

Can't argue with you there

ABA schools are very expensive because of how much it costs the school to get approval. Again....nothing to do with the teaching what if you have a bigger library! I would also like to inform everyone that MANY individuals, including Abraham Lincoln, learned law on there own. This is NOT medical can be done through self-study. One can argue that you need moot court....No, you simply go to your local court house and ask to observe. You inform them that you are a law student and that you would like to sit in.

I'd say the law is a little more complex now than when good ol' Abe Lincoln learned it. Back in the day, people became lawyers by apprenticing with other lawyers. Nowadays I'd rather have professors hash through the complexities of the law than try to pick up a book and do it myself. While the third year of law school is completely useless and a way for schools to suck more loan money out of you, I think the first two years teach you a way of thinking that you'd be hard pressed to learn on your own.

And you don't need moot court, or law review, or any of the other extracurricular activities. However, alumni connections and on campus networking activities are things that tend to be very helpful, and things which you won't get from an online law learning process.

Besides, law school teaches you NOTHING about actually practicing the law....why the hell do you think larger, more civilized states like California and New York have law office study programs???? Because they KNOW that going to an ABA school is NOT required....Get Real.

By the way, the California Bar Exam is the HARDEST in the United States...actually the BABY BAR is harder than some states actual bar exam. SO if you think DL students are retard or unable to make it in an ABA school than why are we PASSING THE HARDEST BAR IN THE U.S.????????

Hmm...then why do you continue to mention later on in your soapbox piece that you're passing "the hardest bar in the US?" Does passing the hardest bar in the US prepare you for being a lawyer?

I cant stand these people who hide behind the ABA accredidation....deep down inside they hate the fact that DL students will graduate with zero debt while they are down 120k without a job.

I think you can't stand the fact that you were never admitted to an ABA accredited school, and are destined to sock it to everyone that is happy with their choice to attend an ABA accredited school. I can relate to you. I didn't get into any of my desired choices b/c of my LSAT, grinded it out at a T4, and I'm now at my initial first choice. I can now say F-you to all the T2's and other T3's that didn't admit me...just like you can say F-you to all the "stupid ABA law schools" that didn't admit you

Please...I have an MBA, CPA and a BA.

Ok...we get it. You've accomplished a lot...You've done other types of graduate work. You'll probably make a fine attorney. Step down from the soapbox.

Doing law school online has allowed me to continue working in my current profession while pursuing my ultimate dream.  My advice is to stop being jealous and congratulate those who made a better choice by choosing a DL school. Get a life....and to those who are current DL students...Keep up the hard work. seems like you've already congratulated yourself enough that there's no way any of us could possibly fit in any more congrats. Doing law school online has been a choice that has worked out well for you. Going to ABA accredited schools has been a choice that has worked out well for the vast majority of us. Yet you proclaim that getting your degree online is a better choice than going to an ABA accredited school on the basis of time and money alone. What about the students who are receiving full rides at their current schools? What about the part time students who are receiving full rides who are able to continue their employment (like yourself)?

Call me crazy, but I'd bet that the average ABA accredited grad will have not only more employment opportunities coming out of school, but more lucrative ones at that. The $120K  (give or take) in loans could very well be worth every penny once we hit the job market. With a decent salary, there's no reason that all of us will have to live on pork n' beans just to pay for the cost of our education.

At the end of the day, I understand where you're coming from. I think online degrees will be the wave of the future, and I think your program could very well produce some fine lawyers who earn great livings. But if you are so firmly convinced that your decision was the right one to you really (a) need confirmation from internet forum posters, and (b) need to act high and mighty to prove a point?

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