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Yeah, I only got half with a 160 and a 3.28.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Be diverse, don't pray
« on: March 25, 2005, 10:10:17 AM »
Then why is it a criteria for how diverse an institution is?

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Loyola NO vs Albany
« on: March 25, 2005, 10:06:10 AM »
Go to Loyola.
There are plenty of Asians at Loyola. The only problem with racisim in the South is the same problem that the North has with racisim- ignorant hicks.

Incoming 1Ls / Be diverse, don't pray
« on: March 24, 2005, 05:42:49 PM »
Be Diverse, Ignore God (from

The Princeton Review publishes a college guide, and its Web site lists the various criteria on which it ranks the 357 campuses included. One of them is "demographics," which is based on comparisons in four criteria:

Diversity University                       Monochromatic Institute
Lots of Race/Class Interaction             Little Race/Class Interaction 
Diverse Student Population                 Homogeneous Student Population 
Students Ignore God on a Regular Basis     Students Pray on a Regular Basis 
Gay Community Accepted                     Alternative Lifestyles Not An Alternative

We have no quarrel with the first, second, third, and fifth of these criteria, but the fourth one is quite astonishing. If you "ignore God on a regular basis," you're "diverse," whereas if you "pray on a regular basis," you're "monochromatic"? What if you pray in a black church, or pray for a more diverse campus?

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: LSU open house last friday
« on: March 23, 2005, 08:29:19 AM »
Yeah, I wish I could have made it. The average salary, I understand, was $48,000. I don't think that $80,000 is too much to expect if you are in the upper part of your class.
Yes, I agree about Louisiana. It has so much potential, it is certain to continue to rise in the next few decades.

Politics and Law-Related News / Looking Out for No. 2
« on: March 15, 2005, 06:09:36 PM »
Beware of Yale! It violates your rights!
This is a pretty interesting article...

Looking Out for No. 2
A modest proposal for single-use toilets.
By Ian Ayres
Updated Monday, March 7, 2005, at 2:01 PM PT

A few feet from my office, Yale Law School every day violates our nation's civil rights law by needlessly discriminating on the basis of sex. And people walk by this violation day after day and never say a word.

There are two single-use restrooms side by side. One is designated for use solely by men; the other solely by women. This might seem innocuous. But it's a clear violation of Title VII, our core federal civil rights law that prohibits private employers from discriminating on the basis of sex. Yale is discriminating on the basis of sex in the conditions of my employment. I can't use this women's bathroom because I'm a man.

The law in this area is really quite simple: Sex discrimination in conditions of employment is only ever legal if such distinctions based on sex are a "bona fide occupational qualification." The BFOQ defense is extremely narrow. There might be a valid argument for preserving sex-segregation for multiple-use restrooms, Ally McBeal notwithstanding. Women might be safer in multi-use toilets. But there is no legitimate basis for preserving gender-specific single-use toilets, and that makes them a wonderful lens through which to examine our broader commitment to gender equality.

These Yale toilets are not a vestige of the past, by the way. They were built from scratch as part of the law school's 2000 renovation. And why did we decide, in 2000, to have one toilet just for men and another just for women? A member of the school's building committee told me candidly that it's because men are sloppier. That's right: The fact that men stand to urinate and at times might not aim accurately is the entire rationale for separate toilets.

This story is not even close to what courts traditionally accept as a legal BFOQ justification. Even if some men "are pigs," why does this justify forcing non-messy men to use the same toilet? "I'm sorry Felix, because you're a man you have to use the dirty bathroom …" The deeper justification must be not only that some men are messy but that men as a class aren't as sensitive as women are to the messiness. But this is just the type of unsupported sexual stereotyping that our discrimination law was meant to stop.

We should be particularly reluctant to justify discrimination on this type of cleanliness grounds. (It's a little bit scary to think about, but a similar argument was used when I was a kid to justify keeping African-Americans from using white toilets.)

This sounds too trivial to matter, right? This is the kind of sex discrimination that troubles only law professors and no one else; the kind that has no relevance or application outside ivy walls? Well, it matters to Riki Dennis, too. An article in last week's New York Times described how Ms. Dennis, a transgendered woman, was beaten for going into the wrong bathroom. Bathroom discrimination literally does hurt people. If the toilet Dennis entered had been gender neutral, there may not have been an attack. Single-sex toilets give bigots another excuse to hit people.

We shouldn't go out of our way to draw lines in sands daring people to cross over them. We don't have single-sex toilets at home, and we don't need them at the office. Then there's also the small question of efficiency. I see my male colleagues waiting in line to use the men's room, when the women's toilet is unoccupied. Which is precisely why Delta Airlines doesn't label those two bathrooms at the back of the plane as being solely for men and women. It just wouldn't fly.

The University of Chicago just got the 10 single-use restrooms on campus designated gender neutral. It's time Yale followed suit. And this is not just an academic problem. There are tens of thousands of single-use toilets at workplaces and public spaces throughout the nation that are wrong-headedly designated for a single-sex. All these single-use toilets should stop discriminating. They should be open to all on a first-come, first-lock basis. This is not just good sense. It's the law.

In the meantime individuals should just engage in a bit of creative civil disobedience. We can just ignore the signs on single-use toilets. When one toilet is being used, we can use the other—just like we do like on airplanes. This cross-over policy would also help shorten the lines that women often face given the disparity in available toilets. And crossing the gender line does more than save time. It actually furthers civil rights. It's refusing to accept separate but equal—particularly when it serves no purpose. A surprising number of people are already doing this just to save to time. But they often report that it's also kind of fun. It's a bit daring to enter a room that's been marked for others. It not only contravenes something our parents taught us, but it also puts us at risk as being misidentified as being members of the opposite sex. And these small steps make the world marginally safer for Riki Dennis and other transgendered people who often have no safe place to go.

Just remember to put down the seat when you're done.

Ian Ayres is the Townsend Professor of Yale Law School and the author of the forthcoming book Straightforward : How To Mobilize Heterosexual Support for Gay Rights.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Just curioous... Republican or Democrat
« on: March 12, 2005, 08:27:28 AM »
On most issues people argue with us.

Yeah, on most issues, people do argue with you.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: LSU vs. Loyola-N.O.??
« on: March 10, 2005, 11:22:12 AM »
A little bit, but not much...
I actually wrote Edwards in jail for politcal advice. He said find friends you can trust.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: LSU vs. Loyola-N.O.??
« on: March 09, 2005, 08:54:34 PM »
JLA, you have to get rid of that Huey Long icon. Everytime I take a look at one of your posts, looking at that make makes feel ill.

"And I can't believe there are people out there who watched Ghostwriters too!  I think it had something to do with computers, didn't it...?  Way before the internet, of course."

Yeah, Ghostwriter had an episode about computers, "Who is Max Mouse?" It involved the internet, but it had to explain what a modem was.

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