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well in that vein i believe that Obama did have a choice.. i would totally understand if he continued his regular comments.. the denunciation that he pulled yesterday is completely contradictory to what he's said in the past.. a person is not going to change to the extreme that Obama is portraying if you've been in constant contact with that person for 20 yrs or so...i don't believe that to be true and it calls his character judgment into question as a result..

another thing.. for him to point out what the blk church is and what it isn't when he by his own admission has not had much experience within the blk church again is a bit of spin to appease the masses.. and to say something like that when you (Obama) were (and still remain) a member of said church imo looks hypocritical.. "i'm looking for a blk church and the blk experience..so i joined trinity which has been yada yada yada for me.. has led me to my Christian faith..i've married my wife and had my children baptized there"..

uhoh but wait.. these " "incendiary" comments are out now so let me back peddle.. i love the church and its ministries but i have problems with its senior pastor who i have gone to for advice..guidance and had pray for me with my family away from the public downstairs when i announced my bid for presidency which btw was at the exact same time that the State of the Black Union was airing in Feb 07... but i'm still a member.. probably won't go because i don't want to draw attention and disturb other members.. the new young pastor is gr8 though.." trust they are about to pull "soundbites" from Moss (in fact they already have) and history is about to repeat itself...

all of this could have been avoided if Obama was truthful...he's trying to portray himself as a strong man of faith avid church goer etc.. the reality is that he didn't spend much time in church.. admit that ish and move on.. and then it would have been done.. i firmly believe that..if he simply said that ish sometime last yr when the first hannity interview took place- we wouldn't be at this point

at what cost does one become president? how much of your soul are you willing to sell? that's why i could never run for office... i'm having enough issues with one of my professors now

the event was on C-span because of Obama and the scrutiny.. this event goes on at the press club every yr.. u know why c-span was there. and quite frankly i'm tired of blk folks having to cover their mouths because "company is around" so we have to watch what they say.. screw that...

eh the Omega hooks.. didn't see it but heard about it.. i disagree with that as i certainly wouldn't throw up the pyramid in a setting like that but that's just a matter of preference..

seeing that there aren't too many rappers that i know of with college degrees.. let alone who've pledged a fraternity i'm gonna go ahead and call the metaphor irrelevant..

i can see how u and others feel that he was being arrogant..flippant and condescending etc.. and that's fine.. but i also know that if i was receiving death and bomb threats.. had aerial views of my new home that's being built airing all over media outlets then i'd be less than "kind" in some of my responses as well... i'd also be pissed in knowing that someone intentionally went back 7 yrs to find things that i've said to attempt to make me appear to be crazy...racist.. and unpatriotic among mainstream America.. esp at a time in my life when i should be celebrating as i am preparing to retire... Wright didn't ask for this ish.. the reality is that he was minding his own business.. so i am irritated by the fact that Obama sold himself out regarding this matter yesterday for the sake of the 'white vote'..

now.. let me point out that you've proven Wright's point in that Obama has said what he's had to say for political reasons.. he never said that Obama didn't believe what he said per se.. but he has called it for what it is..

Quote from: 7S on April 29, 2008, 07:47:48 PM

Quote from: blk_reign on April 29, 2008, 06:34:12 PM

no....i think the exact opposite (in terms of it being good for him).. because the "why now" questions are on there way.. he looks hypocritical.. confused.. and it looks like a last ditch dive to reel in voters that didn't seem to be supportive before.. and i do think it could potentially have an affect on some of the blk supporters that were in his corner prior to this..

i think a whole lot less of him @ this point honestly.. it's strongly disheartening to me.. in part because of the respect that i have for Wright.. whose statements i do agree with largely (aids theory- eh i dunno).. but Obama is coming down harder on Wright at this point than he ever did on Farrakhan's support of him.. or Ayers or anyone else.. and to me that says something...

biases aside.. it's a bad look

I get what you're saying, but a regular joe 6 pack white guy in the rust belt is not going to be comfortable with Wright's views and comments in the least bit. Since that's the demographic Obama's going to have to capture some of that group of votersto win the general election, he had no choice other than a plain denunciation. Plus, if Wright had stopped at the speech it would have been bad enough. But his antics during the Q&A session were deplorable. He came off as smug, flippant, and condescending. If he was speaking at some Church anniversary 3 o clock sunday afternoon service, cool. But come on man, this is on C-Span at the friggin' National Press Club. And dude is up in the piece throwing up the Omega sign, mouthing along with the moderator? That's a bad look. If a rapper had done that, cats would be up in arms calling it bufoonery.

i totally concur. I'm a quite disgusted with Obama right now.

miss p.. i just watched it on youtube.. and heard some of the questions..Obama really needs to move forward and i think that statement alone will affect the way that he's viewed by both supporters and nonsupporters..


cui.. i found out some more info about the recent appearance... the "timing" behind the press club event had nothing to do with Wright.. it's an annual event that he speaks at every yr.. the Samuel Dewitt Proctor Conference (where he also serves on the Board of Directors).. in fact Obama spoke at the conference in 06.. the difference now is that there was a lot of media coverage because they knew that Wright would be there.. he didn't call a press conference to "make it about him".. this is a conference among  preachers and leaders

http://youtube.com/watch?v=183Xipa0fow btw the theme of the conference is For Such a Time as This: Examining Prophetic Tradition

so the reality of this situation is that the only "event" that Wright actually scheduled surrounding his bad press is the Moyer's interview...

i was listening to tavis this morning on tom joyner and he made an excellent point that caused me to pull up the blog he was referencing.. has anyone seen this garbage that pat buchanan said? we all know why it isn't receiving any attention...

PJB: A Brief for Whitey
posted by Linda

By Patrick J. Buchanan

How would he pull it off? I wondered.

How would Barack explain to his press groupies why he sat silent in a pew for 20 years as the Rev. Jeremiah Wright delivered racist rants against white America for our maligning of Fidel and Gadhafi, and inventing AIDS to infect and kill black people?

How would he justify not walking out as Wright spewed his venom about “the U.S. of K.K.K. America,” and howled, “God damn America!”

My hunch was right. Barack would turn the tables.

Yes, Barack agreed, Wright’s statements were “controversial,” and “divisive,” and “racially charged,” reflecting a “distorted view of America.”

But we must understand the man in full and the black experience out of which the Rev. Wright came: 350 years of slavery and segregation.

Barack then listed black grievances and informed us what white America must do to close the racial divide and heal the country.

The “white community,” said Barack, must start “acknowledging that what ails the African-American community does not just exist in the minds of black people; that the legacy of discrimination — and current incidents of discrimination, while less overt than in the past — are real and must be addressed. Not just with words, but with deeds … .”

And what deeds must we perform to heal ourselves and our country?

The “white community” must invest more money in black schools and communities, enforce civil rights laws, ensure fairness in the criminal justice system and provide this generation of blacks with “ladders of opportunity” that were “unavailable” to Barack’s and the Rev. Wright’s generations.

What is wrong with Barack’s prognosis and Barack’s cure?

Only this. It is the same old con, the same old shakedown that black hustlers have been running since the Kerner Commission blamed the riots in Harlem, Watts, Newark, Detroit and a hundred other cities on, as Nixon put it, “everybody but the rioters themselves.”

Was “white racism” really responsible for those black men looting auto dealerships and liquor stories, and burning down their own communities, as Otto Kerner said — that liberal icon until the feds put him away for bribery.

Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.

Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.

This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:

First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.

Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.

Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.

Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks — with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas — to advance black applicants over white applicants.

Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.

We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?

Barack talks about new “ladders of opportunity” for blacks.

Let him go to Altoona and Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for “deserving” white kids.

Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America? Is it really white America’s fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?

Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?

Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?

We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena. And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.

Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago.
Spread the Word! http://www.buchanan.org/blog/?p=969

OP and others with this question..relax and enjoy life..this will be the last free summer until you retire..

*drops the mic*

haven't heard the Oreilly or Irish statement so no comment to that.. i'll probably stumble across a transcription of it later on tonight however..

and why now what? why speak now? as opposed to three weeks ago? do u know what's going on in Chicago right now? there have been so many kids killed within recent weeks that some of the attention has been focused on that (no u won't find his involvement online)...aside from that there have been 4 major deaths @ the church over the course of the past few months.. i mean really whose timeline are we on here?  i can honestly say that if it was me i'd certainly pray over how i'd deal with the situation and i wouldn't address the matter right away..

who did Wright tear down? Obama? u think he's tearing Obama down because he's addressing the scrutiny that he received from the media over sermons that were preached yrs ago? this whole situation is vile.. hannity went back yrs to pull out pieces of sermons to paint him into a caricature.. there's really no arguing against that statement of fact..

hmm the last time i checked.. at most of these blk events.. the speakers mention their books.. dyson..west.. smiley etc.. and what's the book title btw?  just curious before i argue that point

and seriously.. Wright is far from arrogant.. it would have been "all about him" if he came out and said something immediately after Obama's speech..