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Black Law Students / Re: MJ OR KOBE?
« on: May 01, 2008, 02:11:31 PM »
hmm just wondering.. in contrast to the players of the 80s and 90s..which set of players had more education? which players spoke more articulately thus inspiring young boys both on and off the court?

and hands down the players of the 80s and 90s outshine these new cats anyday.. kobe is definitely a beast on the court..i'll give him that.. but he couldn't outshine jordan in his prime... jordan knew what it was like to be part of a team...

these days it's whatever team v bryant.. period..

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Black Law Students / Re: Post Your Interesting News Articles Here
« on: May 01, 2008, 10:41:52 AM »
my argument was never that Obama wanted to be politically expedient (a point he's brow beating now btw lol).. rather he did exactly what he had to do in order to garner "confused" (insert eye roll  ::) ) white voters in the "easiest" way possible for him...easy of course is subjective as there's clearly backlash from the amount of time he took to do so..however had he taken the stance that the majority of the members of the church feel..he'd supposedly run the risk of kissing his campaign goodbye.. in other words he's playing the game that he has to play right now.. does that mean he agrees with the comments in question? of course not.. that's never been my argument.. i'm not Obama and i don't know what's running through his head.. but i do know that what he's done is contradict earlier comments regarding this matter.. and to me that's almost as bad as "mis-speaking" about Bosnia... it calls one's character into question and in turn validates every single question that has been posted regarding "why did u stay in 'that' church for 20 yrs... by siding with the media spin on the matter he in turn sells himself out for the sake of voters.. which goes back to the questions i posed originally to cui (who's yet to answer) about Americans being unable to make their own decisions while falling for the okedoke that the left and right are trying to create Obama = Wright.. and that's a gross misconception...

personally i'd much rather hear Michelle speak at this point.. http://youtube.com/watch?v=ifLZ7JQXv38&feature=user her brutal honesty is something that her husband can take notes on..





now.. let me point out that you've proven Wright's point in that Obama has said what he's had to say for political reasons.. he never said that Obama didn't believe what he said per se.. but he has called it for what it is..

Not to bring this back up, but I was away most of yesterday and never got a chance to respond to black reign (i love that name by the way)  I don't agree with you at all here, simply because if Obama wanted to be politically expedient, he could have cut the cord with Rev. Wright back in March when the controversy first started. He's never shown an inclination to lean towards expediency. He could have sided with McCain and Hillary's backing of suspending the fuel excise tax, but he didn't at a time when gas is damn near 4 bucks a gallon. That surely would have been the easy way out. Obama already showed his loyalty to the Rev, unfortunately the Rev didn't reciprocate.

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Black Law Students / Re: MJ OR KOBE?
« on: April 30, 2008, 12:29:13 PM »
of all of the things that are going on right now in the world.. you make your return post about sports.. how surprising...

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Black Law Students / Re: Post Your Interesting News Articles Here
« on: April 30, 2008, 12:27:35 PM »

He should have left “what Obama stuff out?” he was asked a question and he responded in kind..  u still haven’t told me what a “man of God” is supposed to do.. esp when he receives death threats.. bomb threats @ the church he built.. invasion of privacy by broadcasting the location and aerial views of his home on television..  obama hasn’t been thrown under a bus.. wright didn’t lie.. obama did what he supposedly had to do in order to garner the security of those supposed scared white voters.. big bad black man scary u know… racist bigot preacher yada yada.. I know what obama did on march 18th.. I heard the speech like everyone else..that has nothing to do with yesterday..

So what do u think Wright is gaining from this since u’re saying he’s getting personal gain.. what say you ? as for “preaching in this manner’.. Wright’s sermons have aired on TVOne every Sunday morning for the past two yrs.. he’s been interviewed on nightline yrs ago.. and he’s done magazine interviews through the yrs.. and as I said before he’s always spoken on a regular basis at various functions.. so what’s new?


have you ever been to a black church? Notice on Bill Moyer, Wright spoke differently than he did at the two religious events on CSPAN. It's not arrogance.

and why now? better now than in November.

& even better after Obama takes it.  Not that it will make a significant diff. 
 
Of course I've been to a black church. I go to a black church, Baptist.  I understand the argument (yes the mainstream absolutely doesn’t get the black church but I think it’s both an attack on him and the black church but MORESO an attack on him)but I do think his speeches…well…particularly the Q & A session came across extremely arrogant even though the questions were dumb as hell at times.  It was moreso his demeanor than anything he said. 

But come on, he threw Obama under a bus for personal gain.  And he put Obama in a tight spot.  No matter what Obama said both sides of this debate would be unhappy.

Preaching?  Is that really what he’s doing now? One thing about that  still irks me.  Would he be preaching in this manner (you know on Bill Moyers, throwing Obama under a bus, etc.)  had it not been for the media attack?  If not, he should just go on as he would have normally.


cui.. i found out some more info about the recent appearance... the "timing" behind the press club event had nothing to do with Wright.. it's an annual event that he speaks at every yr.. the Samuel Dewitt Proctor Conference (where he also serves on the Board of Directors).. in fact Obama spoke at the conference in 06.. the difference now is that there was a lot of media coverage because they knew that Wright would be there.. he didn't call a press conference to "make it about him".. this is a conference among  preachers and leaders


so the reality of this situation is that the only "event" that Wright actually scheduled surrounding his bad press is the Moyer's interview...


Good stuff, thanks.   :)

It is not just that though.  He should have left that Obama stuff out. And with some of those questions I’d expect some people may be flippant HOWEVER, I’d expect a man of God to kind of rise above that- that’s what I meant by saying that.  But for his flippant demeanor, throwing Obama a bit under the bus, using this as the subject matter several times in a matter of days EVEN if the event was previously scheduled, I think I’d be more ‘on his side’.  On March 18 in Philly, Obama denounced the comments Wright had made but not him


And the media’s messin’ up again: WTF is up with calling it a “divorce”.  And WTF is up with all of the newspaper headlines “fury”.  The Obama I saw was frustrated but “a fury”?


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Black Law Students / Re: Post Your Interesting News Articles Here
« on: April 30, 2008, 08:40:54 AM »
like i said..they're already @ it http://youtube.com/watch?v=6qX1SBgBg-E&feature=user

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Black Law Students / Re: Post Your Interesting News Articles Here
« on: April 30, 2008, 07:58:22 AM »
well in that vein i believe that Obama did have a choice.. i would totally understand if he continued his regular comments.. the denunciation that he pulled yesterday is completely contradictory to what he's said in the past.. a person is not going to change to the extreme that Obama is portraying if you've been in constant contact with that person for 20 yrs or so...i don't believe that to be true and it calls his character judgment into question as a result..

another thing.. for him to point out what the blk church is and what it isn't when he by his own admission has not had much experience within the blk church again is a bit of spin to appease the masses.. and to say something like that when you (Obama) were (and still remain) a member of said church imo looks hypocritical.. "i'm looking for a blk church and the blk experience..so i joined trinity which has been yada yada yada for me.. has led me to my Christian faith..i've married my wife and had my children baptized there"..

uhoh but wait.. these " "incendiary" comments are out now so let me back peddle.. i love the church and its ministries but i have problems with its senior pastor who i have gone to for advice..guidance and had pray for me with my family away from the public downstairs when i announced my bid for presidency which btw was at the exact same time that the State of the Black Union was airing in Feb 07... but i'm still a member.. probably won't go because i don't want to draw attention and disturb other members.. the new young pastor is gr8 though.." trust they are about to pull "soundbites" from Moss (in fact they already have) and history is about to repeat itself...

all of this could have been avoided if Obama was truthful...he's trying to portray himself as a strong man of faith avid church goer etc.. the reality is that he didn't spend much time in church.. admit that ish and move on.. and then it would have been done.. i firmly believe that..if he simply said that ish sometime last yr when the first hannity interview took place- we wouldn't be at this point

at what cost does one become president? how much of your soul are you willing to sell? that's why i could never run for office... i'm having enough issues with one of my professors now

the event was on C-span because of Obama and the scrutiny.. this event goes on at the press club every yr.. u know why c-span was there. and quite frankly i'm tired of blk folks having to cover their mouths because "company is around" so we have to watch what they say.. screw that...

eh the Omega hooks.. didn't see it but heard about it.. i disagree with that as i certainly wouldn't throw up the pyramid in a setting like that but that's just a matter of preference..

seeing that there aren't too many rappers that i know of with college degrees.. let alone who've pledged a fraternity i'm gonna go ahead and call the metaphor irrelevant..

i can see how u and others feel that he was being arrogant..flippant and condescending etc.. and that's fine.. but i also know that if i was receiving death and bomb threats.. had aerial views of my new home that's being built airing all over media outlets then i'd be less than "kind" in some of my responses as well... i'd also be pissed in knowing that someone intentionally went back 7 yrs to find things that i've said to attempt to make me appear to be crazy...racist.. and unpatriotic among mainstream America.. esp at a time in my life when i should be celebrating as i am preparing to retire... Wright didn't ask for this ish.. the reality is that he was minding his own business.. so i am irritated by the fact that Obama sold himself out regarding this matter yesterday for the sake of the 'white vote'..

now.. let me point out that you've proven Wright's point in that Obama has said what he's had to say for political reasons.. he never said that Obama didn't believe what he said per se.. but he has called it for what it is..

no....i think the exact opposite (in terms of it being good for him).. because the "why now" questions are on there way.. he looks hypocritical.. confused.. and it looks like a last ditch dive to reel in voters that didn't seem to be supportive before.. and i do think it could potentially have an affect on some of the blk supporters that were in his corner prior to this..

i think a whole lot less of him @ this point honestly.. it's strongly disheartening to me.. in part because of the respect that i have for Wright.. whose statements i do agree with largely (aids theory- eh i dunno).. but Obama is coming down harder on Wright at this point than he ever did on Farrakhan's support of him.. or Ayers or anyone else.. and to me that says something...

biases aside.. it's a bad look

I get what you're saying, but a regular joe 6 pack white guy in the rust belt is not going to be comfortable with Wright's views and comments in the least bit. Since that's the demographic Obama's going to have to capture some of that group of votersto win the general election, he had no choice other than a plain denunciation. Plus, if Wright had stopped at the speech it would have been bad enough. But his antics during the Q&A session were deplorable. He came off as smug, flippant, and condescending. If he was speaking at some Church anniversary 3 o clock sunday afternoon service, cool. But come on man, this is on C-Span at the friggin' National Press Club. And dude is up in the piece throwing up the Omega sign, mouthing along with the moderator? That's a bad look. If a rapper had done that, cats would be up in arms calling it bufoonery.

i totally concur. I'm a quite disgusted with Obama right now.

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Black Law Students / Re: Post Your Interesting News Articles Here
« on: April 29, 2008, 04:34:12 PM »
no....i think the exact opposite (in terms of it being good for him).. because the "why now" questions are on there way.. he looks hypocritical.. confused.. and it looks like a last ditch dive to reel in voters that didn't seem to be supportive before.. and i do think it could potentially have an affect on some of the blk supporters that were in his corner prior to this..

i think a whole lot less of him @ this point honestly.. it's strongly disheartening to me.. in part because of the respect that i have for Wright.. whose statements i do agree with largely (aids theory- eh i dunno).. but Obama is coming down harder on Wright at this point than he ever did on Farrakhan's support of him.. or Ayers or anyone else.. and to me that says something...

biases aside.. it's a bad look



Do you mean you think this denunciation of Wright is good for him?  I hope you're right.  I worry that it makes him look shifty and dishonest, opportunistic and willing to sell his pastor down the river.  On the other hand, if people take his denunciations as sincere, I worry that they'll see Obama as having poor judgment (not having denounced Wright earlier) or dim (not having appreciated that his church's views of race relations and the gospel were at odds with his personal beliefs).  I think less of him for this.

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Black Law Students / Re: Post Your Interesting News Articles Here
« on: April 29, 2008, 04:15:34 PM »
miss p.. i just watched it on youtube.. and heard some of the questions..Obama really needs to move forward and i think that statement alone will affect the way that he's viewed by both supporters and nonsupporters..


cui.. i found out some more info about the recent appearance... the "timing" behind the press club event had nothing to do with Wright.. it's an annual event that he speaks at every yr.. the Samuel Dewitt Proctor Conference (where he also serves on the Board of Directors).. in fact Obama spoke at the conference in 06.. the difference now is that there was a lot of media coverage because they knew that Wright would be there.. he didn't call a press conference to "make it about him".. this is a conference among  preachers and leaders

http://youtube.com/watch?v=183Xipa0fow btw the theme of the conference is For Such a Time as This: Examining Prophetic Tradition

so the reality of this situation is that the only "event" that Wright actually scheduled surrounding his bad press is the Moyer's interview...

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Black Law Students / Re: Post Your Interesting News Articles Here
« on: April 29, 2008, 09:38:44 AM »
#5 sounds exactly like some things that fox news said last night..and that's my point.. it's like u're trying to train this man on how he's supposed to speak.. anything unlike what you deem as appropriate language or intonation is wrong.. arrogant..condescending etc..

what is it that you expect from "a man of God" cui? i didn't know there was a handbook within the Bible regarding how a person is supposed to speak to the masses.. and even from a theological standpoint..when you go beyond the "feel good" preachings within the Bible there are clearly..cleary controversial statements within the txt.. the only difference is that we don't hear a voice to go along with those words..  the Bible wasn’t solely written so we could feel “good about ourselves” and that seems to be a gross misconception among Christians.. we pick and choose what we deem as relevant in the Old and New Testaments and choose certain txt to support hateful agendas…

again this whole "manner of days" stuff.. the man is going to speak.. he's going to preach.. he's going to do what he's going to do.. and that isn't something that i disagree with for a # of reasons..

(1)   before Obama’s run for president he was a pastor and he spoke at numerous events yearly.. “back to back to back “ .. during Obama’s run (prior to scrutiny) he was a pastor and spoke at numerous events…  why should he stop speaking now cui ? because Obama is running for president? That is silly.. Wright didn’t step in the spotlight demanding this media attention.. nor did he bring his ministry to the forefront of political bull.. so now that he’s being sanctioned by both liberals and conservatives he’s supposed to “STFU”  cause brother Obama could be the first blk president and he can single-handedly ruin that option?. I call bull and that’s exactly what it is.. as I said yesterday people who claim they won’t vote Obama because of Wright weren’t voting Obama in the 1st place..

(2)   Wright is retiring as senior pastor of his church in less than a month.. after spending 36 yrs building up the church and the community in Chicago.. one man spearheaded a hateful tirade to destroy every single accomplishment that Wright achieved and that is unfortunate… the first time that I mentioned Trinity on this board was probably 3 yrs ago and 98% of the posters on this board (that are still around) hadn’t heard of it.. Wright or his message.. some of those same people also stated that they’d love to visit the church if they were in Chicago- even if they weren’t necessarily Christian or avid church goers.. now flash forward to the present and all of the accomplishments are at the backburner and 6 or so statements are the topic of discussion…

(3)   Obama is going to be alright..  at the end of the day people really don’t think he’s unpatriotic simply because he went to Trinity.. however Wright has been deemed a racist..unAmerican.. ungrateful unchristian.. separatist blk man.. media has been talking about this for months.. I don’t know what news channels you’re watching but this matter did not “die down”.. it’s been discussed daily on fox news since hannity first “broke the story”and looped the sermon pieces.. .O’reilly tried to make a top story of the church building Wright a home in a ‘white neighborhood that cost a million dollars.” And that was a story discussed a week before the Moyer’s interview.. media snuck into a funeral for one of the blk retired judges in Chicago- even though there were signs all over the church that media wasn’t allowed and the family asked the media to stay away.. they snuck in..recorded the eulogy.. sent it in to fox news and in turn made yet “another story”.. so it hasn’t stopped.. you say why now.. I say why not?

(4)   Are you suggesting that the American people are so stupid that they have to lean on the media for their shield of understanding in who to vote for? Are we so intellectually inferior that we believe that anything that Wright says is automatically something that Obama believes? Or are we intelligent enough to know that Wright does not = Obama (though I’d argue that there are things Obama could learn from him regarding race issues and racial questions- and how to stop stuttering when asked certain questions )






how do I sound like fox?

Here's what I'm saying

1- The media/Hannity is completely blowing what he said out of proportion. 
2- He's right to be angry
3-  His insights are completely on point. 
4-  I agree with most of what he says
5- My beef with Wright is that his tone/demeanor NOW (not in the loop they keep playing from yeas ago)is not what I expect from a man of God and I don't get why he's speaking out now and so often in the manner of days. 

Fox?  I think not. 

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Black Law Students / Re: Post Your Interesting News Articles Here
« on: April 29, 2008, 07:53:51 AM »
i was listening to tavis this morning on tom joyner and he made an excellent point that caused me to pull up the blog he was referencing.. has anyone seen this garbage that pat buchanan said? we all know why it isn't receiving any attention...

PJB: A Brief for Whitey
posted by Linda

By Patrick J. Buchanan

How would he pull it off? I wondered.

How would Barack explain to his press groupies why he sat silent in a pew for 20 years as the Rev. Jeremiah Wright delivered racist rants against white America for our maligning of Fidel and Gadhafi, and inventing AIDS to infect and kill black people?

How would he justify not walking out as Wright spewed his venom about “the U.S. of K.K.K. America,” and howled, “God damn America!”

My hunch was right. Barack would turn the tables.

Yes, Barack agreed, Wright’s statements were “controversial,” and “divisive,” and “racially charged,” reflecting a “distorted view of America.”

But we must understand the man in full and the black experience out of which the Rev. Wright came: 350 years of slavery and segregation.

Barack then listed black grievances and informed us what white America must do to close the racial divide and heal the country.

The “white community,” said Barack, must start “acknowledging that what ails the African-American community does not just exist in the minds of black people; that the legacy of discrimination — and current incidents of discrimination, while less overt than in the past — are real and must be addressed. Not just with words, but with deeds … .”

And what deeds must we perform to heal ourselves and our country?

The “white community” must invest more money in black schools and communities, enforce civil rights laws, ensure fairness in the criminal justice system and provide this generation of blacks with “ladders of opportunity” that were “unavailable” to Barack’s and the Rev. Wright’s generations.

What is wrong with Barack’s prognosis and Barack’s cure?

Only this. It is the same old con, the same old shakedown that black hustlers have been running since the Kerner Commission blamed the riots in Harlem, Watts, Newark, Detroit and a hundred other cities on, as Nixon put it, “everybody but the rioters themselves.”

Was “white racism” really responsible for those black men looting auto dealerships and liquor stories, and burning down their own communities, as Otto Kerner said — that liberal icon until the feds put him away for bribery.

Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America.

Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.

This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:

First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.

Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.

Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.

Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks — with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas — to advance black applicants over white applicants.

Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.

We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude?

Barack talks about new “ladders of opportunity” for blacks.

Let him go to Altoona and Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for “deserving” white kids.

Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America? Is it really white America’s fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?

Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?

Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?

We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena. And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.

Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago.
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