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General Off-Topic Board / Re: College Football
« on: April 27, 2005, 04:32:34 PM »
Conference rankings?

1.SEC
2.ACC
3.Big XII
4.Big 10 (11, wtf)
5.Pac 10
6.Big East


i think it's actually...


1. ACC
2. ACC
3. ACC
4. ACC
5. ACC
and .......
6. ACC




but seriously, the acc is the best now, but won't get the official crown for another three years or so.

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Clarification-The point of jobs overseas was that Dubois opposes blacks getting just industrial or technical training now all of those jobs are outsourced overseas or to prisons where that pay is 8 cents an hour


so i see you're following this folishness to the T, which even further proves my point that you're quite out of touch. you said yourself, that the theory is dated (although i say there never was time for it).

wake up my man, life ain't about the cash, the status... none of that. that's cacausasian constructs, black people ( and i resent my speaking for them, for it's obvious we don't agree), the ones i know well and understand, will get it without your help a lot sooner than they would with it.


 

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Which bull am I on? You are talking like we kick it or something. Who are you?  ???


naw, we definetly don't kick it. this tim talking to you. and that bull you on is that "i'm a smart negro, so i'm better... look at those 'coons', i got to teach them to be like me!"

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DuBois essay argued that the talented tenth would lead and educate the masses, show them direction, etc. This analysis was elitist, but it was what was believed then and taught in schools, from the shack where teachers taught five students, some children, others adults, to the universities that held dozens of students. They assumed that since most people were not quite a generation out of slavery that those with "education" would teach the illiterate and "uneducated" not only education but also politics, the economy, etc...

While, DuBois' rhetoric was elitist it was, nevertheless, sincere. If we consider the historical moment, even though I disagree with parts his talented tenth thesis, I do understand and it does make sense. As a matter of fact, the talented tenth thesis is in action. All of our intellectuals, whether traditionally trained or self-educated, (like Hubert Harrison, Malcom X, and Baraka, of course at the time ( around 1903) DuBois may not have thought self educated intellectuals as intellectuals), are all the talented tenth. They head both political, educational, economic institutions...those college professors, wall street brokers, book reviewers, all intellectuals, leading and shaping black culture.

However DuBois changed his position later on. He didn't necessary think that intellectuals didn't have an important role, but he believed and argued that the black working classes were fundamental, the driving force of black freedom.

Speaking of which, how can we have a discussion about DuBois and not bring up Booker T Washington?  :P



du bois went to harvard (hahhhhvard) no? why you think that mofo went to there, huh? why you think that he left fisk for harvard? come on now. he was on that same bull you was.

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Wait why are we discussing a fool who has GOLD floors and celings? That's so coonish.



do you prefer platinum, or silver? you got to be joking. Master P (not in my mp3 player) is a very credible person to use as an example, for the mere fact that he has been so successful. it may look easy; but i'm sure it wasn't, and that the success he has had can be attributed to his intelligence rather luck. this is a very clear example of black people hating on each other that you were discussing before. i guess that makes you one of those crabs pulling your people back into the barrel, with the motive stemming from that bushtit elitist talented tenth mentality. 

Ewwwwwww, talkin about that talented tenth theory [looking at Omegaman]  You gonna let them talk about yo theory like that, yo?


Well Sands since you asked, sure Ill respond, but Ill be on my best behavior. 1) Is the Dubois theory elitist and was a product of his times, Yes. But the question is do these times call for a another look at his theory. Im sure most of us being academics, we dont mind analyzing Dubois, do we? Now with Black men graduating from HIGH SCHOOL at like 60%, of course we aren't in a position to become elitist. But the problem is that American society sold us down the river with the Blue Collar, middle class dream(Dubois industrial jobs) Now all of these jobs are overseas, not coming back anytime soon, the others are in the prison industrial complex. So we need economists, attorneys, and the like. Immediately, like yesterday. As far as someone who doesnt know how america work, if they consider the talented tenth? Dont make me laugh, its working very well for white folks, what the majority of wealth is in the hands of what 3-6%. By me working in the system as where i realized we need to re-evaluate. The bottom line is Black folks dont need no more motivators, we need scientists, doctors, ect. What are you going to base your policy on? gut feelings, instinct? We've sold alot of our people short going to the hood doing things that makes US feel better, but are we providing job,skill, healthcare?


i don't understand your argument 100%, if you could clarify it just a bit it would help. like for instance, what does the jobs going overseas got to do with anything? and what exactly is the "prison industrial complex?"

but, i will comment on the other parts:

i resent your appealing to the white culture, the elitist of culture there is. this is what i gather from that: "well look at the white people, they have elite people, they have jobs, they're rich...i want to be like them. let's use america as a model, the world should like america, so, i hereforth deem black lawyers and doctors and the like as the 'talented tenth'." right, you're the saviour.

RUBISH! the black people's problems are going to be solved no by a group of lawyers and teachers who think they are better, or priviledged in some way, but rather when all black people realize that they own their destiny. basically, it's like i teach my little bro, you got to do you, THEN YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL.there is no collective success; it's just idividual's. so, when  i look out at a brothas that didn't graduate HIGH SCHOOL, i don't say, "oh he's/she's a failure," i ask "is this mofo getting what he came to get?" "does he own a business?" "etc?"


can you relate?

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Wait, and what exact is your OPINION of the talented tenth menality Official?

i think anybody who puts themselves on an arbitrary, self-selected pedestal such as the talented tenth, with a "mission," "goal," or "manifest destiny," is a COMPLETE ass that didn't get the attention deserved sometime while growing up (please forgive my ad hominem attacks, but there really is no other way to describe it). that same person has no idea of how the world works and how problems such as the those facing the black community get solved.

Aww so it was a personal attack. Interesting. Well as I stated previously, Master P is a good business man. My argument that that I disagree with his lifestyle choices. That doesn't mean I think he is less intelligent or I have a "crabs in the barrel mentality." The more people doing well, the less money that  will be taken out of my income.  ;)


no, the Master P comment wasn't a personal attack; just a good point.
i was apologizing, in advance, for calling those who believe in the TT asses.

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Wait, and what exact is your OPINION of the talented tenth menality Official?

" The Talented Tenth is a concept espoused by black educator and author W.E.B. Du Bois, emphasizing the necessity for higher education to develop the leadership capacity among the most able 10 percent of black Americans. Du Bois was one of a number of black intellectuals who feared that what they saw as the overemphasis on industrial training (as evidenced, for example, by the plan proposed "

Just an FYI....It might help your argument.





because du bois came up with that sh*t, it's worth something. PLEASE!

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Wait, and what exact is your OPINION of the talented tenth menality Official?

i think anybody who puts themselves on an arbitrary, self-selected pedestal such as the talented tenth, with a "mission," "goal," or "manifest destiny," is a COMPLETE ass that didn't get the attention deserved sometime while growing up (please forgive my ad hominem attacks, but there really is no other way to describe it). that same person has no idea of how the world works and how problems such as the those facing the black community get solved.

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Wait why are we discussing a fool who has GOLD floors and celings? That's so coonish.



do you prefer platinum, or silver? you got to be joking. Master P (not in my mp3 player) is a very credible person to use as an example, for the mere fact that he has been so successful. it may look easy; but i'm sure it wasn't, and that the success he has had can be attributed to his intelligence rather luck. this is a very clear example of black people hating on each other that you were discussing before. i guess that makes you one of those crabs pulling your people back into the barrel, with the motive stemming from that bushtit elitist talented tenth mentality. 

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: The Guys' Thread - The Remix
« on: April 15, 2005, 03:37:28 PM »
i can't tell you exactly what i am, but i get at '10s' allll day, and sometimes '15s'. and i have absolutely no game! just a smile and some eyes.

what nas say? "i got no game it's just some [shorties] understand my story."



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