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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Dizzy from the mailbox. Help!
« on: June 14, 2006, 12:19:09 PM »
Sorry for the late reply. I hope you all are still around. The JD/LLB program seems to draw quite a crowd. The only time I really saw them this year was during the required moot court competition. Many of them made it into the semi-final rounds. The ones I talk to seem to enjoy it, but I haven't spoken to any in any kind of depth. I am assuming there are not many Americans who do the JD/LLB program. I do not know any personally. You should contact Dean Caprio at the school. Her email is on the site.

Public transportation is virtually nil. You will need a car unless you are planning on living downtown and walking to school or taking the people mover (kind of a cross between a subway, a train and a homeless shelter)...haha

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Dizzy from the mailbox. Help!
« on: April 04, 2006, 06:59:44 PM »
Hi guys,

Driving in the winter isn't as bad as one would expect. Many of the Detroit suburbs are located close to major highways, and the highways are virtually always clear. This winter I didn't have any problems at all with icy roads. Just make sure you keep a scraper in your car (for your windows) and buy a heavy coat. California and Michigan are like night and day as far as whether is concerned. Be prepared to be cold for at least 1/3 of the year!

Grosse Point is a very affluent area that borders the city of Detroit. It's strange; you cross an invisible line from dirty streets, rundown buildings and lots of liquor stores to manicured lawns, well posted road signs and huge houses. The Dean of the law school lives there and throws a get together at his house for first years before classes start. I imagine it is expensive to live there, but it is close to the school. Personally, I think you're better of living in a suburb further north. 

I imagine it would be very hard to work your first year if you are full-time or part-time day. Part-time day students time one less class (property) so "part-time" is deceiving. I don't think that it is impossible. I know of at least one full-time student who worked part of first semester and one part-time student who worked full time her first year. Personally, I couldn't do it, not even a few hours. I recommend that you take classes for a couple of weeks and get accuntomed to the work load. All three of the first year sections have classes on fridays. I know that past years have had fridays off, but I don't know what the plans are for the future.

Personally, I get my work for mondays done on the weekends and that's about it. Some people like to get ahead on the weekends and take the week days a bit slower. Like I mentioned before, the first semester I went crazy and worked a lot. My life was studying. This semester I have slowed down a lot. I go to the bar one night a week and spend a lot more time with my girlfriend. There are a lot of little tricks you pick up after attending classes for a while. Virtually everyone uses multiple supplements (case briefs, horn books, etc.).

Hey, just for a little UDM motivation (I know you need it!), one of my 3rd year buddies just got a job offer from Dykema Gossett. First year associates start off from $95,000-$115,000. Yikes.


Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Dizzy from the mailbox. Help!
« on: April 02, 2006, 06:58:34 PM »
Hey guys, sorry for the late reply.

Honestly, I haven't thought much about concentrations yet. One tricky thing about scheduling classes after required courses are out of the way (first year classes and a few others you take after first year) is that students think they have more freedom than they really do. The multi-state bar exam covers a number of subjects that may not be covered in the required courses. For example, I've heard estates and trusts is important for bar purposes, but it is not required. You will hear these classes refered to as "bar courses." Therefore, it is important to strike a balance between bar courses and concentration courses, so if you take all bar courses, you have few electives to chooses from and vice versa. As far as what concentrations UDM offers, I know business law is popular and the school is improving their tax law course offerings as well (basic fed income tax is now required...yuck). While I have not heard of students complain of a lack of concentration areas, I have heard them complain about classes filling up too quickly and becoming unavailable, so I suppose these too different problems lead to the same disadvantages. I have heard that th eDean is working to fix this problem. So far, he has proved to be a lot of talk and and quite a lot of action, so I am hopefull.

As to the housing options, you have nothing to worry about. If you want to live in the city of Detroit, there are many options. Cheap apartments can be found everywhere, but the cheaper they are, the less safe they are. The city of Detroit apartments that most students live in are very expensive (probably an average of around $1000 for a one bedroom). For this price, though, you get great security (front desk concierge, security guards, etc.) and very nice facilities. I would resommend living in one of the sububs of Detroit. You mentioned Dearborn and Royal Oak, but there are many others. I actually went to undergrad not far from UDM and have lived in Rochester Hills and Troy, bith in Oakland County (Detroit is in Wayne) about 20-25 minutes north of the school (assuming traffic is not too bad). Oakland County is a very affluent area, but cheap living can be found in very nice neighborhoods. My girlfriend and I pay about 800 a month, heat/water/trash included, for a two bedroom apartment in Troy. 

All law schools are going to have competitive students. It is a very competitive environment. But, the students in my section are very helpful, not totaly self serving, and I get along with everyone very well. First semester is rough! You have absolutely no way to gauge your performance. It is very stressful adn time consuming. Midterms was one of the hardest times of my life. I seriously thought about dropping out and doing osmething else. I thought I was surely at the bottom of the class and much more confused than everyone else. I ended up doing very well in all of my classes, so this semester has been much better. Some students, though, that don't do well on midterms, are even more stressed for the finals.

If I can be of anymore help, let me know.


Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Dizzy from the mailbox. Help!
« on: March 28, 2006, 05:05:03 PM »
I'm a 1l at UDM. The school is not surrounded by a chain link fence. There is nothing to worry about during the day. Absolutely nothing. The area that UDM is in is actually the nicest part of the city of Detroit...yeah, I know that doesn't say much. The Renaissance Center in which GM's world headquarters are located is right across the street with a beautiful view of Windsor and the waterfront. Greektown is right around the corner. We go our on friday nights and are out until fairly late and I haven't heard of any incidents.

The school building itself is not that great. While some people like the old archaic look, I wish it were going to be updated while I am a student here. The library, while it has four floors and many materials, is old and very outdated. The computer lab is also fairly sad. On the bright side, there are plans for a new building right on the water which should be great for the school. And yes, like every relatively large metropolitan area, you see the occasional bum, but they are harmless, at least in my experience.

As for the faculty, I am impressed. The Dean is a graduate of Harvard and is working hard for the school. I love my professors and get a lot out of classes.

Of course, UDM has the same problems as other bottom tier schools, but it has a great reputation in Detroit and Michigan. Probably plan to stay in MI though. Noonne I have talked to is unemployed for the summer, and graduates do get hired to the big firms. I am fairly certain that I will be getting a good paying internship this summer. Some students have to vlunteer or do stipend fellowship work. Problem is that you have to do fairly well (top 20%)to get into the best (or best paying, I shoud say) postitions, while students from upper tier schools don't have as many challenges.

I don't think that UDM would be a bad choice, especially seeing as you might see the new building. Of course, if you can get into a tier 1 or 2 and don't mind where you live, you would be unwise to turn them down and take UDM before doing adequate research. In defense of the school, compared to a tier 2 you mentioned (I thought about Denver, have family out there), UDM has a better bar passage rate (well at least comparable when I applied) and average starting salaries are higher as well as employment rates. Of course, these statistics, I have heard, need to be taken with a grain of salt.

Anyway, if you have any questions, let me know. I will try to be unbiased, although I love my school! On the other hand, I would have loved to be accepted to a lot of others first! Oh well.


Choosing the Right Law School / Re: University of Detroit Mercy
« on: July 24, 2005, 09:38:27 AM »
Congratulations! That's awesome about the in state tuition. I wish you lots of luck.

Canadian Law Students / Re: Windsor/Detroit Mercy Joint Program
« on: July 21, 2005, 04:05:30 PM »
I do understand the importance of USNWR, and surely this ranking system does say a lot about the reputation and prestige of schools, but I don't think that one should make a decision on where to attend based solely on this system. I'm sure that some t3 and t4 schools don't offer great opportunities to their grads, but from the research I have done personally, I have found that prospects are good for UDM students, especially for the type of law that I want to practice and especially in the Detroit area. I was accepted to some higher ranking schools, but when comparing average starting salaries, placement statistics, faculty, and bar passage rates, I decided that in my situation, these higher ranked schools were not worth having to move to a different city. I am confident that UDM will provide me with a good legal education, and I am happy with my decision.   

Canadian Law Students / Re: Windsor/Detroit Mercy Joint Program
« on: July 21, 2005, 12:45:55 PM »

Actually DM is a T4, and a lot of employers in Michigan and the Midwest have a very good opinion of the school.  Most of the laywers I know in the Detroit area went there, including one judge, and they are all doing very well.  They may not have an incredible reputation, but that's not what everyone is concerned with, and the idea that "no employers are impressed by a JD from DM" is false. 

Agreed. It's frustrating that UDM doesn't carry the name it deserves and once did. At first when I was considering the school, I was turned off by its low ranking, but after comparing it to some of the other schools I was accepted to in Michigan and out of state, I decided to ignore the rankings. UDM's starting salary, placement and bar passage rates are fairly competitive, and a lot of top firms hire out of UDM due to the strong alumni base. Check out Dykema Gossett or Miller Canfield's web-pages, and you'll see that a lot of their newly employed attorneys are out of UDM. "No employer in the US will respect a JD from UDM" is an ignorant comment in my opinion.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: University of Detroit Mercy
« on: July 01, 2005, 02:38:53 PM »
I'm sorry to hear that UDM is at capacity, but I suppose the news is not all that surprising. You mentioned that one, if a student at UDM, can get "good deals" on nearby apartments. What kind of deals and at what places? I'm thinking of moving closer to the city. I currently live in Rochester Hills with my girlfriend, and we pay 805 plus expenses each month, which is too expensive, in my opinion, for the apartment we live in. Anyone else know anything about these student deals? Thanks.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: University of Detroit Mercy
« on: June 30, 2005, 12:27:53 PM »
Let me know how it goes (or how it went if you have already returned.) I'm assuming you are meeting with Dean Caprio? Did she mention your chances of acceptance?

Thanks a lot Matthies. I appreciate your comments. That's great that you got accepted to so many good schools with a 150 lsat. As you said though, with success in law classes (I didn't realize the Masters students took classes with J.D. and LLM), it must show that the lsat is not an accurate measure of one's ability. I've been reading about the program all day, and I think I am going to do it if I can get in. I submitted the application online, but I still have to write a personal statemet expressing my interest in the program. Any advice? Also, if I am accepted to the Masters program, are there any professors or classes you would suggest taking or not taking? I realize I may be getting a little ahead of myself, but I'm worried that you'll disappear and I won't be able to get any solid advice!

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