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i might be able to but i need the money or the financial aid. I dont think that employers will care if i had a job or summer school. It just seems like summer school would probably be a waste of money since im not planning on graduating early. at the same time im getting a little to old to do the bs summer job thing
I worked for a family business my 1L summer (completely non-law related) and this summer (2L) I'm working BigLaw.
« on: March 30, 2007, 11:17:25 AM »
actually i think by most measures UW is the better university (and here i talk across the spectrum of disciplines from law to medicine to business to applied mathematics). when speaking of the law school specifically...what's a couple of points between friends (31 v. 28)? besides ND is on the drops amigo, you cannot deny a 6 point fall hurts! and yet you cannot get yourself to say "ND is not a national school" eventhough you consider every other program not in the T14 a "regional school"....oh except ND. i hope people like you never come to Wisconsin, so if you want to stay in Chi-town and be miserable that sounds fantastic...all the cold minus the skiing. we'll make fun of you when you load the family up on your rusted out honda civic (loans)covered in lame ND alumni stickers (small genitals) and make the trek up north to enjoy the scenery (FIB) only to crawl back to miserable Illinois when the weekend ends (shoot yourself now). as for passing the bar in other states, WI graduates get grandfathered into adjoining state's bars should they want to leave WI (and most do not).
Wow, this is actually starting to get kind of fun! I hope I run into opposing counsel like you when I start practicing. I'll make partner in no time!
First, why are you bringing up other disciplines? Who cares what goes on "across the spectrum." Aren't we talking about law school?
Second, yes the 6 point fall is not a wonderful thing for ND. Are you under the impression that I'm happy about this? My point is that ND is a school with a great national reputation, a terrific loyal alumni base, and with graduates at top law firms over the county. To make my argument easier, I compared ND to Wisonsin in the national market.
Third, when did I say that every school outside of the top 14 is a regional school except for ND? I believe I simply stated that Wisconsin is not a national school. Read before you respond "amigo." To explain why I won't say "ND is a regional school," please reread the above posts.
Lastly, you keep talking about all of the debt that ND students have. Yes, I will have debt. My loan payments will be about $1,200 a month. This is under $15,000 a year. The firm I will be working at just matched the local market at $145,000 a year. If I drive a rusted honda civic, it will be because I want to, not because I have to. Do you understand? What's up with you bringing up this moot point anyway? Are you on a nonacademic scholarship or something? Well, good for you. Consider yourself lucky.
Oh yeah, and everyone I know who lives in Chicago absolutely loves it!
P.S. Your sentence structures are horrendous. You should take a basic composition class before research and writing.
« on: March 29, 2007, 09:49:05 PM »
Riiight...because sooo many people want to live in Wisconsin... Good try. Bottom line, you can't compare ND to Wisconsin. I think that's already been established.
You are now using the weather to back what you call your "argument?" Yeah, great that you've convinced yourself that Wisconsin is a great place to live. I guess that's understandable though, as you will surely be stuck there when you graduate.
As for me and my colleagues, yes we are stuck in Indiana for the time being, which I admit sucks in the winter, but nobody stays in Indiana! So again, good try. No bar exam? Yeah, I bet the market in Wisconsin is just begging for lawyers... Also, you do realize that if you want to leave Wisconsin you will have to take the bar in another state, right?
I think you should bow out before you start using the quality of cheeses to back your stellar "arguments."
« on: March 27, 2007, 11:00:05 PM »
oh and whiteyemsr...no i have not started law school yet, when that happens you can be certain i will not waste a moment of my time trolling for validation/a chance to doll out "my two cents" on this website.
Hmmm, judging from the fact that you just multi-posted in a matter of minutes, I would guess that you will be trolling these boards. Shouldn't you be on the pre-law board anyway? Seems like you need to relax a little bit.
In terms of the national aspect of ND, I'm not sure how it compares to other tier 1 schools, but I know people working for offices all over the states, from New York to D.C. to Texas to California. Of course, it goes without saying that ND has a great presence in the midwestern market. This, by the way, is in spite of the fact of some heavy hitters abound us like U. Chicago, Northwestern and Michigan, who of course, also send lots of grads out of state while keeping many in the Indianapolis, Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit markets.
I'm not sure why you would have access to information regarding the marketability of current ND students that I don't have. As far as I know, CSO doesn't have access to where students are summering unles students tell CSO where they are working (I know I haven't). So...
I'm not even going to comment further on your predictions of USNWR future rankings except to say that ND has been up and down since I started paying attention my freshman year of college. It sucks that it dropped this year, but the reputation is excellent, in my opinion much better than Wisconsin. I don't know much about Wisconsin...
To do a little bashing of my own, you're absolutely right that Wisconsin doesn't pretend to be a national law school, because it isn't. I did a quick seach on my summer firm's webpage, and there are over four times the amount of ND grads than Wisconsin grads, and in terms of being national, Wisonsin has lawyers in five locations (the vast majority in chicago), only in the states. ND, on the other hand, boasts a healthy fifteen locations with multiple lawyers in three countries. Seems pretty national to me. If I had more time I would do similar comparisons with other firms, but I don't think I need to. You, on the other hand, seem to have much more time on your hands, so maybe you should do a search.
Consequently, do you have many friends?
« on: March 27, 2007, 08:31:47 PM »
Wow. I'm surprised you put so much faith in the rankings, especially considering you are at University of Wisconsin (or wait, have you even started yet?) which I believe is still ranked below ND... but hey, I guess you're catching up, right?
Anyway, ND has done fine by my classmates and me. It is a shame that it dropped in the rankings, but I'm convinced its reputation will continue to attract students and top law firms. I know I'm sitting pretty this summer regardless of what USNWR says.
When schools are tied, US News lists them alphabetically. UCLA and Georgetown are tied, yet UCLA is listed first. In other words, this is not legit.
Wow, we have James bond here folks. At first I thought they were organized alphabetically leaving "university" out, but if you look at the USNWR site at the schools tied for the 80 spot, you'll see that "university" isn't left out.
Wow, I really have no life...