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Basically, pull up my LSN profile. Every school I was accepted to is under rated. Every school that dinged me manipulates the USNWR ranking system.   :P ;) ;D

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: What is this????
« on: April 27, 2005, 02:11:53 PM »
XOXO -> Hugs & Kisses
HTH -> Hope That Helps

Ironic, because the xoxohth message board is the most vitriolic, least helpful message board (not specifically dedicated to Neo Facsicm) on the internet.

Law School Admissions / Re: Low LSAT, doing well in law school?
« on: April 27, 2005, 02:03:06 PM »
I remember at Suffolk a professor told me that their exams are blind and that the Registrar takes it very seriously. Basically your exam only has a number on it, and the correlation between number and your name is kept under heavy lock and key by the registrar. That's how it works at Suffolk, at least. I think most schools use a blind system now to avoid the "suck up" or "Third Eschelon"  effect as Hart calls it in Paper Chase.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: cardozo help
« on: April 27, 2005, 01:36:24 PM »
I called today, and they hadn't reached a decision on my app yet. When did you go complete? I was complete Mar 2nd. Grrrr. I hate waiting for this crap.

Law School Admissions / Re: Am I too late for '05?
« on: April 26, 2005, 01:04:00 PM »
Sorry, but your MBA GPA doesn't count for anything (except maybe as a so-called "soft factor"). The only numbers that really matter are LSAT/UGPA, and with a 144, your GPA will have to be pretty good to be even considered at the bottom of the T4s. Not to mention it's late, you are already past most school's deadlines, and most schools have already given out most of their acceptances.

...but if you really want to go to law school this fall, you could give Tom Jefferson a shot. I know that they don't have an admissions deadline because I got a mailing from them a week ago, and I thought they were crazy, so I actually read the end of the letter. They don't have a cut-off date for admissions. Apparently, they give scholarships to everyone with a 150+ LSAT, so they would probably consider a candidate with a 144.

I don't know where else would accept an application this late, but I would focus on the T4s and provisionals (Cooley, Nova, Barry, Ave Maria, John Marshall Atlanta, Appalachian, Western). I don't imagine any school above T4 (and probaly even most within T4) would consider an applicant with an LSAT so low.

No offense, but a 144 is really bad. If you aren't sure you want to go to law school this fall, then wait it out. Spend the next year mentally preparing yourself for law school. Study a lot for the LSAT and retake it. Read about the law school experience and what it is like to be a lawyer. Then do reaserch on schools to see which one is the best fit for you. Do you have an area of specialization that interests you? Would you prefer practical experience or lofty theory? Did you know that if you go to a school out of the top 25, you will most likely have to start your career in the region the school is in? Location should be a major factor in your decision.

I get the impression that going to law school hasn't be a well thought-out decision for you. I think some more time to prepare would do you wonders... but if I am way off base, and you are definitely set on going to law school this fall, you should start contacting TJSL and other low ranked schools immediately. Ask their admissions officers point-blank if it is too late to apply for the fall. At this point in the cycle, they should be frank with you about your chances.


Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: Houston
« on: April 26, 2005, 12:02:13 PM »
When I got my WL letter I called the admissions office. They told me they would reconsider all WL apps again starting May 1st. This was confimed by a different, more authoritative source in admissions by e-mail a few weeks later. Good luck, everyone!


You've already missed out on St Toms, right? I don't think you can ask for the seat back once you pass on the deposit, but I could be wrong. You are going to want to hold a place in case none of your WLs or pending apps comes through.

So it sounds to me like your choice is between Nova & Widener. Since you say you want to live in NY or FL and both schools are pretty much regional in their placements, I would probably pick Nova.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Santa Clara. Anyone heard lately?
« on: April 25, 2005, 02:24:01 PM »
The reason why I'm so interested in SCU is that it has an absolutely amazing program for those interested in public interest.  I'm currently a social worker, and although I enjoy my work, I'm looking to make a career move that will provide me with more opportunity to create change for underserved populations.  These sorts of jobs simply don't pay anywhere near Biglaw.   Going to SCU without a scholarship would mean signing up for the kind of debt that can't be paid off with a job that pays 40k a year.  The way I see it-- I can force myself into a job that I hate right now for free, why pay for it?

Yeah, those Jesuits are all over the PI Law, and they certainly realize that PI lawyers don't pull in the Biglaw salaries. SCU has a scholarship you can apply for which is only for people who have an interest and past experience with public service. As a social worker you certainly qualify. I'm also pretty sure they have an LRAP. Whatever you do, don't just assume that you can't afford it because you want to do public interest. Check out this page:

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Scholarship to Santa Clara
« on: April 25, 2005, 02:11:47 PM »
I also got a Law Faculty scholarship as a URM. (2.98/160)


1 - Applicant pool is up, so numbers have to be higher than two years ago. Sucks that you got caught in the cross-fire.

2 - The Admissions Director doesn't make the actual up/down decision. It usually goes to a committee of faculty, students, and/or deans. (S)he was probably telling you what (s)he thought was sound advice, but couldn't possibly predict how a committee would vote on your specific file.

3 - How did you get yourself a better GPA? Did you get another undergrad degree?

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