« on: January 07, 2005, 03:02:45 PM »
Rizz - good info! Very interesting.
Slobe - you are correct in that scenario. If there were a wide range of LSAT takers in the same school, the correlation would be more obvious.
which leads us to Lizard's point, which even though it sounds crazy is actually quite true:
If the question of this thread is "Do High LSAT scores gauge success" then the answer is well...yeah. Because with a 170 you can get into Harvard, which as we all know, has the ability to place you in just about whatever legal career you desire provided you pass the bar. Conversely, if you score a 120 (if that's even possible) the Ivy's are out of your picture and you are confined to such schools like Thomas Cooley and other schools that may not be ABA accredited...thus leading you to not so much success as a lawyer. So if you think about it in that sense, then the LSAT does play a major part in your success.
If the question of this thread is "Do high LSAT scores mean that you will be successful in law school" then the answer over a preponderance of the evidence is NO. The reason being, filling in the correct bubbles on a standardized test has little to do with getting up every morning, going to class all day long, dealing with financial aid, fighting for a parking spot, studying case law until 1 am every single night, joining the Student Bar Association and other groups, making law review, getting A's on your legal research and writing papers, looking up cases in the library...etc. The LSAT has very little to do with those things that will contribute toward your success as you battle your way through law school day-in and day-out. Only you can control that because only you know how determined you will be to make it through the grind of law school. Unlike the LSAT which comes and goes, Law School is like running a marathon; you have to keep a strong steady pace taking special care not to fall behind and also not to burn yourself out. The LSAT cannot predict that.
There is obviously some benefit from being a quick thinker when it comes to the exams, but law school is not so much about rewarding quick thinking as it is about rewarding quality thinking.
But don't get me wrong, the LSAT does have some relevance to what you will see in Law School. In particular, the logic problems that asked you to find the "point at issue" that usually gave you quotes from two poeple arguing about something. Bob says this, Jane says that, what is the point at issue? If you were able to do well on those problems then you should do well at case briefing. Case briefing as a law student can take anywhere from 2 or 3 hours per case, or as little as 10 to 15 minutes. It all depends on how fast you can spot the issue.
Also, the Reading Comp. sections in general are helpful because as a law student you are going to read pages upon pages upon pages, and if you take the time to read every single little word then you will never get through it all. If you treat it like you probably did on the Reading Comp. section of the LSAT then you should be able to speed read or "skim" through large amounts of text and still pull out the general theme, tone, argument, etc. that are crucial to your analysis.
You are kidding me right? I have two things to say to you: JIM CROW.
You're lucky and mostly, you are probably very bright, but if you really think about it, of course, if you score high you're getting into the best of schools. And, of course, if you score low you won't. But have you ever given any real deep thought into how or why some people get those scores? A type of intellgence has something to do with it, but when it comes down to skill set: Reading, Writing, & Researching & a LOT of it, how can you possibly make a correlation when you're talking about a timed 3-hour test that is formulated by statisticans?
Example: If you take someone from let's say Harvard who has been educated at the best of secondary schools, and who has received the best of college training against someone who hasn't, what do you think the results will be on the wonderful LSAT you've just praised?
If you've been told all your life that you're "better", then you will be.
Just something to ponder. I provide no real answers, just playing the devil's advocate here.