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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Full Tuition Scholarship @ Iowa!!!!
« on: January 02, 2005, 04:22:59 PM »
that is a good point and certainly an important consideration, but I wouldn't worry so much about that yet. When I visited last admissions season, I got the sense that it was a fairly limited group that actually wound up accepting it, although I don't have hard #s for you. you might want to save that question until after you have checked out the school.

If you go to Iowa, you want to be in the top 25% anyway to maximize your opportunities. below that, you might struggle to find a job outside of their traditional regional strengths.

I think you might be better served by making some trips to the schools you are interested in to the extent that is feasible. You should try and book a trip out to visit Iowa City and get a taste of it before the admitted students day. that way, you can sit in on classes and get perspectives from students who will not be part of the student group involved in the admitted students day.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Full Tuition Scholarship @ Iowa!!!!
« on: January 02, 2005, 03:51:17 PM »
I did it via e-mail to the person who signed the letter initally informing me of my scholarship. If you didn't get an initial scholarship to the school in question, you should probably direct an e-mail to the dean of admissions asking who the correct person is to contact regarding merit scholarships. Sometimes tha money is controlled by the admissions office, other times there are separate committees; ir depends on the school.

I don't have the full story on the WUSTL, just passing on an anecdote. I think though that if you display some sensitivity to the fact that whoever you appeal to needs to wade through and ultimately dismiss dozens of similar requests, you shouldn't get a rude respone. remember that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Minnesota 1L taking questions
« on: January 02, 2005, 12:22:19 PM »
no problem, my pleasure.

I think I need to clarify some things and qualify a few things when I say law school is like high school. It is like high school because we have a locker room (minus the bully beating the snot out of a weaking and minus the person dealing weed) We have gossip but, perhaps surprisingly, it is not the type of locker room gutter talk we may have participated in during our high school glory days or on the trading floor in NY. (or at least not most of the time!) I think that is a good thing and helps make the school a friendly place for everybody, even if the physical building is less than welcoming.

Some general advice to whoever may be reading: remember, we are in a professional school environment and UMN stresses ethics and has an honor code (although not as strict as places like W&L) It is not supercompetitive, but everybody wants to do well and respect each other too.

You also don't want to be "that guy" or "that girl." Regardless of where you go to law school, some of your most important contacts for opportunities down the line are going to be your classmates... if you are remembered as "that person" that is not going to be a good thing!

There are no cliques at UMN, and I mean that. Of course, you will become better friends with certain people, but most everybody here is laid back and since we are in law school, the workload makes what social circles you are in less important.

Overall, I think law school is a lot of fun, but definitely not the total freedom and lack of accountability that we enjoyed when we were in high school. Bottom line: you a studying to become part of an important profession, and part of law school is about adhering to a certain standard of comportment, and certainly some of the things that happen in high school are well below that standard.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Full Tuition Scholarship @ Iowa!!!!
« on: January 02, 2005, 12:04:07 PM »
You ask for money very "I really like Illinois but I am really sensitive to my potential debt load. Currently I have a full scholarship at Iowa that I am considering. I would rather attend Illinois, but the Iowa deal may be too good to pass up. I realize you get many requests from people in similar positions, but if Illinois could provide any additional scholarship money, it will make my choice a lot easier."

or something like that. be very humble and deferential, because schools get these requests all the time. and be patient, because school will likely have to wait for others to turn down money before redistributing it.

the schools that will match the Iowa offer (at least the schools around it in the rankings) are pretty limited to the big ten competitors (Wisc, Indiana, UMN, Illinois) and maybe a few others. I had no luck shopping the offer to schools like BU, GW and USC. A few other schools outside the region bumped their offers a little. I do not know about WUSTL...a few people here at UMN found their admissions staff to be a little rude and abrupt in similar conversations, so think carefully about your strategy when approaching them.

good luck

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Minnesota 1L taking questions
« on: January 01, 2005, 01:26:24 PM »
In a way, it is like high school. You'll find law schools in general to have gossip that rivals that of high school as well, esp if you get "involved" with fellow students.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Full Tuition Scholarship @ Iowa!!!!
« on: January 01, 2005, 01:22:02 PM »
Minnesota and UIUC may improve their offers if you decide you like them better than Iowa. Those school compete against each other every year for students, so you may get a boost in aid from the other two if they really want to get you.

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Minnesota 1L taking questions
« on: January 01, 2005, 01:14:59 PM »
hi clone,

I like my professor a lot, and I am generally impressed by the teaching here, especially the dedication to the students and the faculty accessibility. the teaching styles vary as well.

of course, there are some in our class that do not like one or more professors and the critiques relate anywhere from complaints about the organization and pace of the class to the arrogance of the professor.

Grading at UMN is blind (as it is at many schools) and UMN allows you to give anaonymous feedback through an evaluation form.

I think it is important to anticipate that there is a real chance that you will not like the style of one or more of your professors, regardless of the school you attend. but you have to find a way to power through it and engage yourself in the class.

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Minnesota 1L taking questions
« on: January 01, 2005, 01:08:02 PM »

the section set-up is used by every law school that I am familiar with. obviously the number and size varies from school to school.

your first year schedule is dictated entirely by the law school (any school you attend will do this) and you will have the same schedule as everyone in your section. But like I said at UMN, it is set up so that you get to know a lot, if not most of the people in your class.

after the first year, you are on your own and can pick your own classes.

tough call. I gave up a full ride to a top 25 last year, and it is tough to ignore good merit aid from schools.

you just have to decide whether UMich is worth the 150,000 plus you will have to spend. This is a personal decision involving many factors, including where you want to work and how much you like each school among a few other factors.

I would try and get access to each school alumni network as you get accepted. The grads will be able to tell you what they would have done if they were in your shoes...many will tell you to try and avoid the debt.

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Minnesota 1L taking questions
« on: December 31, 2004, 10:10:55 AM »
 you do have some classes just within your section, so they need to break it down somehow.

plus my double section classes were not all with the same section. I am in section A and have classes with the four other sections, so you get exposure to everyone in the class.

Minnesota wants to have smaller classes for 1Ls but they need to hire more faculty and they are busy building the endowment that will allow them to add faculty. the goal is to get 10 sections of 27, but that won't happen anytime soon and certainly not within the time we will be enrolled in the school.

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