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Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Minnesota 1L taking questions
« on: January 09, 2005, 03:46:20 PM »

Uptown would probably be the most fun if you had a summer associate job. I would try and check the startribune for summer sublets/ roomate wanted stuff

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Minnesota 1L taking questions
« on: January 09, 2005, 03:44:17 PM »

try plugging into the prospective students website at the website...there should be a link to career services, they might have a list.

Law School Admissions / Re: how much is an Ivy GPA worth?
« on: January 05, 2005, 04:03:13 PM »
it depends on the school but your GPA definitely gets a boost depending on what school you went to and sometimes your major...The admissions director at UPenn admitted that it makes a difference in an interview published in "Law School Confidential" but most top schools do not end the evaluation there.

Somebody with a 3.73 in Mechanical engineering from Stanford will be in better position than the person with a higher GPA from Podunk State U, all other things being equal, at most, if not all, law schools.

I would also take the "numbers" from whatever survey you read with a grain of salt also.

you will be working really hard regardless of where you go.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Minnesota 1L taking questions
« on: January 05, 2005, 11:44:08 AM »
After being there a semester, what would you say are the school's strengths?  Is there anything you feel UMN does better than other top 20 schools?

I can only really speak for UMN; I am not qualified to address relative strengths between law schools outside of some info about hiring prospects. I do think everybody here is friendly and we have a collegial atmosphere. It is a lot of fun coming to school everyday. I am sure there are plenty of other schools that can boast the same.

Law school in general is pretty much the same at any school...the difference between schools lies in the relative job prospects coming out: you should focus your research around that issue.

They seem to have a fairly developed clinic program.  Is it something you hope to partcipate in?
UMN's location in Minneapolis makes for some great clinical and externship opportunities for a larger percentage of the student body, as opposed to some other schools that are not near urban centers. This enables some students to work part time at local firms...$30 per hour makes a nice difference when you are in law school.

The clinics are cool. The only school that has more clinical opportunity per capita is Yale.

I don't know how much I will participate in the clinics, only because i might be able to get a job within the industry i want to work in during the school year, so that might be a better use of limited free time for me. Otherwise, I am really interested in the US attorney clinic.

good luck

Sorry to be a grammar stickler (since I ain't good at it myself), but I think we should be using the word collegial instead of collegiate here if we are asking whether Law school students are cut-throat or friendly and cooperative. If we are asking whether Law School is generally a similar academic experience to undergrad, "collegiate" is the better word....and the anser to thta one is simple: no it is not similar to undergrad.

Basically, every law school is competitive; everybody wants to excel. The quesion to ask is whether it is overl competitive or cutthroat. Usually I think that these stories are mythical, at least for school today. the only consistent complaints about over-competitive people these days come from Columbia  and Georgetown law schools. I think you need to take these things with a grain of salt, although having lived in NYC, plenty of recent CLS grads confirm this. Having said that, I probably would have attended both schools (certainly Columbia) had I been admitted.

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Minnesota 1L taking questions
« on: January 05, 2005, 09:50:19 AM »
First of all, good luck.

We do have some marketability in California, it is also our third highest feeder state.

I think if you want to go back to california after law school, You need to do some more research about the job prospects from UMN and from the other schools that you are looking at. If you are not in the upper portions of the class here at UMN, I think you may run into some difficulty getting the types of jobs in california that you might want. You also need to mine your own contacts. Stuff to think about.

I hesitate to talk about diversity, because that means different things to different people.

My impression of UMN Law is that it is a liberal school in general. Definitely pro-Kerry, if that means anything to you. I have found most people here to be respectful of different viewpoints, especially professors. Grading here is blind (your name does not appear on your exam). I think that it is a lot of fun to go to school here

In terms of racial and ethnic diversity, A good chunk of UMN is white people from Minnesota. I haven't looked at the numbers because it was not a big deal to me when applying to schools, but the most populous minority are Asian Americans. Latinos have a smaller presence, and there are very few african americans.

Increasing diversity is one of the top short term goals of the school. Both the Dean of the law school and the dean of admissions are African Americans, so they were not pleased with the results of the incoming class in terms of diversity. So there will be a renewed effort to address this going forward.

I see the UMN community as a welcoming place for all individuals, but like I said, my attention was captured by different factors in choosing a law school

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Minnesota 1L taking questions
« on: January 04, 2005, 05:36:22 PM » for a bit

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Minnesota 1L taking questions
« on: January 04, 2005, 05:33:36 PM » for a little bit

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Full Tuition Scholarship @ Iowa!!!!
« on: January 03, 2005, 11:12:47 AM »
I am not a reliable source for Iowa info, but I feel compelled to make some additional comments based on my experience last year

it is not entirely true that you will be stuck paying the out of state is very easy to get residency in Iowa by working during the school year many students do it. In fact, qualifying for in-state tuition is actually a condition of the scholarship (at least it was last year)

The real rason why you need to be in the top 25% is because you will need to be ranked that high to get the looks from the top firms that come on campus from outside their regional strengths. The scholarship cutoff is non-negotiable. Would be stunned if was lifted.

I liked Iowa, and I think it is a good law school but had concerns beyond the grade requirement. It is a great deal, but if you want to work in, say, CA after graduation, you are assuming some risk in attending Iowa. After you complete your own research, you may find that taking the risk is worth it.

as for xoxo and all law school boards, you need to take the advice you get for what it is. Advice and reflections (and of course some less-than serious posts!)from people who mostly in the same boat as you or from law students with a little more experience. The people on these boards are not the hiring partners of big law firms or admissions officers or others with the real inside knowledge of the legal job market. Very few, if any, of us have any kind of access to the "answers" that would really help you out. we can only tell you what we have experienced and hope that helps (or HTH if you prefer).

So take the negative impressions and criticisms of Iowa in stride. Sure, some of them are fair and legitimate, others are generated either by wiseguys trying to be funny or by those who opinions may not be totally objective or informed (myself included in the latter).

The law school choice is ultimately a personal choice driven by a mix of factors. Get as much info as you can and pick the school that is right for you based on your needs. That might not necessarily be the one that others tell you to go to.

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