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Current Law Students / Re: What is the black letter rules?
« on: April 25, 2005, 11:03:18 AM »
K stands for contracts because there are so many other Cs--Con Law, Crim, Civ Pro, etc.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Anyone Else Going to Brooklyn Law School?
« on: May 17, 2005, 11:55:34 AM »
I'll be there.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Cardozo v. Brooklyn
« on: May 07, 2005, 05:14:14 PM »
Money is the main concern when deciding between these two schools. I opted for BLS because I got about $20K from them and they have housing whereas Cardozo offered me about $13K. All things equal, I probably would have chosen Cardozo just because its in Manhattan. But the schools are virtually interchangeable.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: What did you learn from PLS II?
« on: April 25, 2005, 08:13:45 AM »
It amazes me how many people seem to fundamentally misunderstand what PLSII suggests. It does not say prep and you will make law review. It does not say that the prep work replaces the work you will need to in law school. It serves as a kind of compass to keep you oriented in the right direction. It is to help you avoid the herd mentality that develops in LS where you are sent scrambling to piece your way through an amount of work you could not possibly finish and it helps you to focus on what work you should emphasize.

I have been doing the prep work for the last few months. It doesn't mean outlining before you get to law school, it means getting a brief introduction to the tools you will need to employ in order to gain a higher understanding of the law later on. I feel the work is valuable to me because I enjoy the subject matter and I enjoy the mode of thinking that comes along with it. And after finishing one of the primers, I downloaded a past exam from a school I've been accepted to and spent some time responding to the questions--not full out exam style, but just to see if I could do it. And I hit probably 80% of the issues listed in the model answer provided, caught the red herrings, and didn't write anything blatantly false. That appears helpful to me, considering I haven't spent a day in LS yet.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Delaney book?????
« on: April 21, 2005, 08:59:17 AM »
Delaney has several books--1. Learning Legal Reasoning, 2. Criminal Law, 3. Examsmanship

They can be purchased from his website -

LLR gives a good introduction to legal reasoning as applied to reading cases and extracting issues. I have the other two but haven't read them yet.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: OFFICIAL "I am going to ______ in the Fall" Thread
« on: April 08, 2005, 01:06:35 PM »
Brooklyn. Can't wait.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Brooklyn or Tulane
« on: April 01, 2005, 01:38:36 PM »
Brooklyn Heights is a really nice neighborhood in Brooklyn. Plus, it's extremely close to downtown Manhattan (takes about 5 minutes on the 2,3,F,4, or 6 trains to get there). It's not far from Park Slope and Prospect Park either, so you sort of get the best of both worlds.

If you want to work in NYC, do not take the advice that you should go to Tulane because they place well everywhere. That rule of thought is only true for T14 schools, maybe T25. If you want to work in NY, go to school there.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Anyone going to Brooklyn in the Fall?
« on: March 23, 2005, 02:09:35 PM »
There's a very good chance I'll end up there. I really liked it when I visited. If I get into Cardozo it will be a bit of a tough choice...but unless 'Dozo ponies up some dough I think Brooklyn may have made up my mind for me.

I just got back from NYC visiting Brooklyn, Cardozo, and NYLS. When I left on my trip, I had only been admitted to NYLS and wasn't all that excited about it, but right after visiting with Brooklyn I got home and found my acceptance email waiting for me. Which was nice.

I was very impressed with both Brooklyn and Cardozo. BLS's facilities are fantastic--the area is wonderful, Manhattan is really accessible, the housing options are terrific, and the building they use itself has a great feel--I got a nice sense of community while I was there. The classrooms, cafeteria, library, etc. are all top notch.

Cardozo's actual facilities are a little less impressive, but I enjoyed the class I sat in on far more than at Brooklyn. At both schools I attended a Property class--conveniently, both classes dealt with the same topic and cases. As I only sat in on one class at both places, I cannot attest as to whether the difference I encountered is attributable to just a random difference in sections or individual professors--but the class at Cardozo was far and away superior. The professor was excellent--very clear, excellent command of the material and ability to share it, knew everybody's name without looking at a seating chart, and wonderful to listen to. The class was eager to participate--no sense of dread in being called on. They were all very cooperative too--people were eager to work together in answering questions, building on one another's responses, not laughing if anyone was way off the mark.

Brooklyn however, the professor didn't seem to know what she was talking about without consulting her notes. Tripped up a lot and had to go back and correct herself. Students were not eager to participate--in fact, it was totally silent. Most students were reading blogs, checking their email, playing solitaire, etc. I had trouble paying attention as the teacher droned on and on with practically no interaction with the students in class.

I'm still quite interested in Brooklyn--especially as they've accepted me and I haven't heard a decision yet from Cardozo. I just got home and found all my acceptance materials waiting for me--BLS gave me $17,500, which is hard to turn down. All in all I was impressed with both of them, but I may need to go back and learn more before I really make up my mind.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: In at Brooklyn!
« on: March 18, 2005, 12:50:19 PM »
Right now I think it's where I'll probably go. But I haven't heard yet from Cardozo, American, or Northeastern. I think the real choice will come down to Cardozo (if I get in) and Brooklyn--I'm definitely most interested in being in NY.

Their facilities are great, Brooklyn Heights is a fun neighborhood, and I think I'd be happy there. I was not enthused with NYLS when I visited today, even with the money I don't think I'm going there.

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