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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Anyone took/wants to take patent bar exam?
« on: March 28, 2005, 01:33:16 PM »
Don't stress too very much about the new revision.  No one is going to know the impact until the actual tests start, so no test prep course can honestly tell you that they do know at this point.

Before taking the patent bar, you should be consistently scoring in the mid 80's on practice tests.  This gives you a good cushion for test day jitters and newly tested material.  I can't imagine that the new rev will add more than 10 new types of questions, so if you have a good buffer, you should pass anyway.  Of those new questions, you'll probably have time to look up half.

While I know they gove you this information, I'm going to call BS on a lot of it.  Of course firms are going to say it's selective, they don't want to come out and say they'll take anybody.

The fact is, if you have an EE degree you're in good shape, there are also a lot of ME jobs out there if you go to  Of course you want to have good undergraduate grades, but they're not that important based on the people I know going into the field.

I know this because I'm a patent examiner with an EE/BME undergrad and an EE Master's.  I also have passed the patent bar.  I looked for a job earlier this year and had 3 offers within 3 weeks.  That was resume to interview to offer time, and I'm not even an attorney yet.  They were taking me on knowing I was going to school.  Of the people I knew who graduated law school last year, the patent/engineering folks were snapped up faster than many higher ranked classmates.

There is no guarantee, but patent work is still the closest thing in law school, especially if you don't have experience in any field.  The engineering degree opens up doors that are otherwise closed.

As far as FT vs. PT, the attorneys I have spoken with (and this is many because I tend to ask around about schools and jobs when I speak with attorneys) voiced either no difference between the two or a slight leaning towards working with PT graduates.  For internships, I can see PT being tough because you will have to leave your regular job, but I think you can get the interview.

I just feel that most of this is to scare people, the fact is, there's still a huge demand for engineers in the field.  If nothing else you can go work at the patent office.

If you have an upcoming seat deposit due and you really need an answer, then I think it's a good idea to call.  If you don't have a reason, then I think I'd just wait it out.

Well, I think I'm going to take a pretty different slant on this one.  It seems that the OP really knows what she wants to do, and mainly posted for a "You Go Girl!" rather than an opinion.  I mean, I think you knew the response when you posted it.

Anyway, I've been in a committed relationship for 4 years, living together for two.  We're not married, but that's because it's illegal for us to be married in this country. 

Before I ever started applying to law schools, he and I discussed it in detail and went over each school I was considering and where he would be willing to move.  By the time I applied, we had agreed that I would go to the best school I got into, and he'd move.  This was only because he had a say in where those schools were, I didn't apply first and ask questions later.

If you applied to schools without consulting your boyfriend or even hearing him say he wouldn't move and still applied, then I think you made the decision then.  I personally am not willing to sacrifice my relationship for law school, but I am personally very invested in it.

If you think a breakup is down the road anyway, then I'd get it out of the way now and not waste any more time.  If you think you want this to work, you're going to have to compromise and maybe even go to the local school.  In my opinion, he'd be giving up a lot more to quit what he's doing and move than you will be to just go to your second or third choice.

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: George Mason Acceptances?
« on: March 21, 2005, 12:14:17 PM »
If you need to get the decision soon so you can send in a deposit, I would email Dean Richards.  She is very accomodating and would probably at least let you know where your application is or the decision if it is available.  They also have a message board on their web site that you can post to.  She always answers questions there as well.

Best of luck.

Sorry to hear about your GULC decision, but I basically have the same result and I'll be there at GW next year PT as well.

I actually was on the phone with an attorney this morning and somehow came to the topic of law school and that I was going.  He had great things to say about GW graduates and said they recruit heavily from there and made no distinction between full and part time.  That was before I even mentioned I was going part time, he was actually recommending it.

He also said that they consider GULC and GW graduates at the same time, so there is little preference and he said that for patent work, the GW folks got a little edge, and a big edge if they had experience in the field.

Anyway, I'm sure I'll see a few of you at the preview evening.

The real problem is that some people apply to schools just to get the acceptances, it's an ego boost.  Unfortunately, on here, we have no idea who is truly doing that and who just grossly underestimated their chances/didn't do any research.

My theory when I applied was one safety (American), four targets I would go to (UNC, GMU, GWU, and GULC), and some dream schools that I would drop everything and go to (UVa, Northwestern).  Several people told me that I should apply to every DC area school, UMD, Catholic, W&M, W&L, but I knew that I would never go to any of these schools for a variety of different reasons, so I practiced restraint.

Since then, I have been accepted at three, declined one immediately, and will be going to GWU.  It was easy, relatively painless, and not too expensive.

I didn't use a single fee waiver because I wouldn't have gone ot any of the schools that sent them.  In the end, I'm happy with what I did in the cycle.  My only regret is that I didn't wait to get my GMU and GWU response before applying to American, I could have saved them the time.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: The Waiting Game
« on: March 16, 2005, 07:09:46 AM »
My experience with watching the boards and LSN obsessively has been that GULC makes immediate decisions on accepting people in a large majority of cases.  they then sit on the other applications for quite a while before either rejecting them or waitlisting them.  I have also noticed some waitlists oging out quickly, but not rejections. 

As far as GW, it's hard to tell, it seems that like most school, a fast response is better, but it also seems that some people have been pending for a while and then were accepted.

Choosing the Right Law School / UNC Withdrawal
« on: March 16, 2005, 07:07:05 AM »
I aplied to UNC early in november and have yet to hear.  In all of my waiting, I basically settled on not attending there regardless of the result.  I was waiting on a decision just to see what happened, but I realized that this was a ridiculous thing to do since I would not go there, so I called and withdrew.  It was actually a nice feeling to know I don't have to check the mail waiting for a response each day, no more curiosity.

Now just waiting for a final answer from UVa and I'll be done.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Falling Through The Cracks
« on: March 16, 2005, 06:50:42 AM »
You seem to have applied to some schools at the absolute top and then skipped down to some lower ranked schools with nothing in the middle to speak of.  I think somewhere like Georgetown or NOrthwestern would have been a good idea.

Do you have an LSAC GPA at all?  I noticed you have no GPA listed.  A low GPA is going to keep you out of these top schools regardless of LSAT.

If your GPA is good, I would recommend not attending law school this year and working on your applications for next year.  Obviously, there was something that they didn't like because your score is strong.

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