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General Board / Re: patent bar study aides
« on: January 08, 2006, 02:18:02 PM »
It's really a test no one should fail.  The old exams have several repeated questions and all the information is in the MPEP, you just have to know how t find it.  I worked as an examiner, so I had a big head start, the most useful studying I did was with old exams and some study materials.  I took a class and it was a waste, but it probably would not have been if I had not been an examiner. 

You'll know before you take the exam whether you are going to pass or not.  You should be in the 80s on the practice exams I believe.

Like Chemdr, I left knowing I had passed, there's not a big time constraint, so I had plenty of time to look up answers I didn't know outright.  I would guess I scored in the 90s and I think anyone can with sufficient preparation.

General Board / Re: School Curve
« on: January 08, 2006, 02:13:40 PM »
I would consider that to be a tough curve because 60% of the class will be below a B-.  My school supposedly curves to a B/B+, so a C is a pretty low grade (this is what I understand anyway, I don't have grades yet).

In the end, it only matter psychologically though since class rank is the holy grail.

Studying and Exam Taking / Re: Grades????
« on: December 27, 2005, 07:55:19 PM »
I don't get mine until late January but probably early February.  I was thinking of trying to transfer if I did well, but I haven't looked into that at all, it may already be too late.

General Board / Re: Things you wish you would have known as a 1L
« on: April 27, 2005, 03:58:00 PM »
Oh yeah, there is no requirement for years of engineering experience.  I think the poster above may be mixing the requirements for the patent bar and the Professional Engineers exam.

Not trying to be a know-it-all, just telling my experience.

General Board / Re: Things you wish you would have known as a 1L
« on: April 27, 2005, 03:56:44 PM »
I am a 0L as well, but I have taken the patent bar and passed, so I can help you out.

As he said, passing the bar makes you a patent agent, this means that you can prosecute patents at the USPTO.  In the rare instance that a case goes on appeal outside the office, you cannot prosecute there, but thie almost never happens.  As a patent agent, you can do a large amount of work and sign your own work, which is unique for someone in law school.  You do not need to pass the patent bar to do litigation (infringement, etc.) but you do need ti to do prosecution whether you have passed a state bar or not.

The patent bar actually is not technical in any sense, and there is only one patent bar.  It is focused on the laws and rules that govern the prosecution of patents.  There are no technical questions and some of the hypotheticals will be from biotech, chemistry, electrical engineering, etc.  The point is to understand the law and know what the correct course of action is.  Sample tests are available on the USPTO web site and also under the specific patent law section of the Suffolk University Law School web site.

If you have no background in patents, you need to take some kind of prep course.  I was an examiner, so I had a good background.  I still took a course, although it probably wasn't necessary.  It may be daunting at first, but I passed first try and it definitely can be done.  The test has about a 45% pass rate, so you don't want to wing it, but it can be passed.

The test itself is made up of 100 multiple choice questions split into a morning and afternoon section.  You have full use of the Manual of Patent Examining Procedure (MPEP) which is like the patent office Bible.  You must be intimately familiar with this book as it is thousands of pages in print and you will not have time to find an answer you have no clue on.  You need to know at least the chapter to go to.

Anyway, that's a quick rundown.  I was going to wait to take it, but several people told me to take it before 1L to relieve some stress about it.  I'm glad I did now.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Letter of acceptance from Rutgers!
« on: June 26, 2005, 10:47:53 AM »
I got the same letter, except it was $5000.  It was for Rutgers Camden.  I appreciated the offer, but I'm decided on gong to GW.

Well, I think it's all just abunch of crap.  If you have some talent and good experience you'll do fine.  Work in the field first and learn something and you might be more marketable regardless of the school you go to.

I went ahead and took the patent bar and got my registration number.  I will be going to school at GW part time in the Fall (but emplyers hate part timers, right?)  I put out resumes about 2 weeks ago and ended up with three offers, all for good money from one large firm, one medium firm, and one small firm.  I took the small firm because of personal considerations.  I'll be doing patent prosecution and work on litigation.

My point is that this needing to go to t-14 for big salaries and biglaw is not true.

Wait List / Re: G-town waitlisters
« on: May 17, 2005, 12:57:34 PM »
Has anyone heard anything today?  I'm assuming that some of us will remain on the wait list and some will be rejected at this point, but who knows?

Where should I go next fall? / Re: North Carolina residency
« on: May 02, 2005, 02:44:06 PM »
If I were you and you're serious about it, I'd get an apartment there ASAP and change my driver's license to NC.  I'd make sure my summer work was in NC and pay taxes in NC.  It would seem to me that it would be difficult for them to reject you if you have a residence for a year and you're paying taxes.  If you did this the year before you applied, you'd get residency, so you should get it after you're there.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Georgetown
« on: April 22, 2005, 12:36:35 PM »
How strange?

I am waitlisted there for PT and I sent them a letter to let them know I passed the patent bar.  I hope this means that they have some new spots opening up.  Maybe they're unhappy with the waitlist and want to revisit some other apps.  Did you know anyone connected with the school?  Someone put in a good word?

If I were you, I'd write something, even if just a letter to let them know it's your first choice.

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