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Oh yeah, there is no requirement for years of engineering experience.  I think the poster above may be mixing the requirements for the patent bar and the Professional Engineers exam.

Not trying to be a know-it-all, just telling my experience.

I am a 0L as well, but I have taken the patent bar and passed, so I can help you out.

As he said, passing the bar makes you a patent agent, this means that you can prosecute patents at the USPTO.  In the rare instance that a case goes on appeal outside the office, you cannot prosecute there, but thie almost never happens.  As a patent agent, you can do a large amount of work and sign your own work, which is unique for someone in law school.  You do not need to pass the patent bar to do litigation (infringement, etc.) but you do need ti to do prosecution whether you have passed a state bar or not.

The patent bar actually is not technical in any sense, and there is only one patent bar.  It is focused on the laws and rules that govern the prosecution of patents.  There are no technical questions and some of the hypotheticals will be from biotech, chemistry, electrical engineering, etc.  The point is to understand the law and know what the correct course of action is.  Sample tests are available on the USPTO web site and also under the specific patent law section of the Suffolk University Law School web site.

If you have no background in patents, you need to take some kind of prep course.  I was an examiner, so I had a good background.  I still took a course, although it probably wasn't necessary.  It may be daunting at first, but I passed first try and it definitely can be done.  The test has about a 45% pass rate, so you don't want to wing it, but it can be passed.

The test itself is made up of 100 multiple choice questions split into a morning and afternoon section.  You have full use of the Manual of Patent Examining Procedure (MPEP) which is like the patent office Bible.  You must be intimately familiar with this book as it is thousands of pages in print and you will not have time to find an answer you have no clue on.  You need to know at least the chapter to go to.

Anyway, that's a quick rundown.  I was going to wait to take it, but several people told me to take it before 1L to relieve some stress about it.  I'm glad I did now.

I got the same letter, except it was $5000.  It was for Rutgers Camden.  I appreciated the offer, but I'm decided on gong to GW.

Well, I think it's all just abunch of crap.  If you have some talent and good experience you'll do fine.  Work in the field first and learn something and you might be more marketable regardless of the school you go to.

I went ahead and took the patent bar and got my registration number.  I will be going to school at GW part time in the Fall (but emplyers hate part timers, right?)  I put out resumes about 2 weeks ago and ended up with three offers, all for good money from one large firm, one medium firm, and one small firm.  I took the small firm because of personal considerations.  I'll be doing patent prosecution and work on litigation.

My point is that this needing to go to t-14 for big salaries and biglaw is not true.

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: G-town waitlisters
« on: May 17, 2005, 09:57:34 AM »
Has anyone heard anything today?  I'm assuming that some of us will remain on the wait list and some will be rejected at this point, but who knows?

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: North Carolina residency
« on: May 02, 2005, 11:44:06 AM »
If I were you and you're serious about it, I'd get an apartment there ASAP and change my driver's license to NC.  I'd make sure my summer work was in NC and pay taxes in NC.  It would seem to me that it would be difficult for them to reject you if you have a residence for a year and you're paying taxes.  If you did this the year before you applied, you'd get residency, so you should get it after you're there.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Georgetown
« on: April 22, 2005, 09:36:35 AM »
How strange?

I am waitlisted there for PT and I sent them a letter to let them know I passed the patent bar.  I hope this means that they have some new spots opening up.  Maybe they're unhappy with the waitlist and want to revisit some other apps.  Did you know anyone connected with the school?  Someone put in a good word?

If I were you, I'd write something, even if just a letter to let them know it's your first choice.

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: Georgetown
« on: April 20, 2005, 09:42:38 AM »
That's great, especially since they seemed to be putting people off to next year.  I was deferred and then placed on the regular waiting list.

I called to talk with them about it and they said that usually all deferrals go on the priority list, but this year, that list is already overfilled so those of us less desirables went on the regular list.

I still would go to GULC if accepted, but the chances are slim.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Macs in Law School? a possibility???
« on: April 19, 2005, 01:17:14 PM »
OK, I'm going to be the only one here, but I hate Macs.  I had an ibook for the past 3-4 years and I was absolutely dying to get a new machine.  I could only reliably run one program at a time.  If I tried to use more, it would freeze up and I'd have to kill at least one application.  I thought from day one it was far less reliable than any PC or unix box I had used up to that point.

If your law school expressly only supports PCs, I think you'd make a huge mistake to get a mac, or even use an old Mac for that matter.  There is going to be so much stress that first year and prblems with compatibility, even just for exam software, will make life that much worse.  Virtual PC does not eliminate a lot of the problems, and tech support at many schools will not even look at a Mac.

Just my opinion.

I read Law School Confidential.  Unfortunately, it was heavily geared towards people who were going to LS right out of undergrad or who took 2 years off to wander around Europe.  Very little advice to those of us who already have legal experience and no mention of part time school.

The main thing I found interesting were the descriptions of the first year courses and what they were about.  Everything else just seemed to be fluff.

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