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Current Law Students / Re: how would you handle this situation?
« on: January 26, 2006, 12:48:28 PM »
The biggest problem is that your friend heard it, not you.  If your friend is willing to come forward, then I think you should say something.  I disagree that the dean will ignore it, it's a big deal because it goes beyond just being a teacher/student relationship.  This is a business too, and there are laws against harassment.

As far as the grading thing, I think you're out of luck, he can always say he told you to do something in general, but then you did it badly and hurt yourself.

Arbitrary grading is a bad road to go down, especially if you did poorly.  Unless someone who did well is willing to say the same thing, you'll come out looking worse.

Current Law Students / Re: Demand more tests! Demand teaching assistants!
« on: January 25, 2006, 12:40:54 PM »
You know Chris, I really thought you were a troll on this board, a very talented one at keeping people's attention, but a troll just the same.  I finally went and looked at your blog and realized you actually believe all this stuff you say.  I respect that you have a mission and wnt to make a change (although I disagree with it wholeheartedly); but why do you attack those who question you?  Wouldn't it be more constructive to at least acknowledge that there is a counter-argument than to just flush everyone down the same toilet with your caustic language?

Anyway, it's my last post on the topic, I've been clear in my opinion in this and other threads.

Let me go ahead and save you some time.  I know nothing about the law or working or anything about anything.  You have far more experience than me (sixe years at a MAJOR firm), go to a law school in NYC whose name I would recognize, and are in a much better position to make statements about the practice of law and all changes that should be made.  I have offered no solutions, just criticisms, I beg for disrespect.  I'm a kid who needs to grow up and if I am not a kid, then I need to grow up anyway.

Granted, none of these things are true (except I assume you did work at a law firm and do go to law school in NYC), but it will save you some time.

Current Law Students / Re: Grades????
« on: January 25, 2006, 11:59:31 AM »
Yeah, they told us the percentages, just thought people might know the vicinity of the GPA that got it in the past.  I think the way they broke it down for us was

GW Scholar - top 15%

Thurgood Marshal Scholar - top 35% (I assume that this is really 16-35%)

Current Law Students / Re: Grades????
« on: January 25, 2006, 10:52:59 AM »
At GW, do you have any idea what the GPA cutoffs were for the scholar designations in past semester?

Current Law Students / Re: Demand more tests! Demand teaching assistants!
« on: January 25, 2006, 07:50:14 AM »
You threw out your qualifications, so why shouldn't I throw out mine.  By the way an "agent" is someone who passed the patent bar, it's not a term I made up.

You've got a terrible manner and ideas that very few people agree with.  You say you know so much about the practice of law but you also think the best way to make your point is to try and intimidate people into agreeing with you.  I would never let someone with your demeanor and limited interpersonal skills deal with my matters.

I think you're dead wrong.  If we had TA's to make sure that everyone got every little detail, then the professors would just make the tests that much more obtuse so that the curve would stay the same.  I think that law school is easier than my engineering program where we had all the TA's and tests you could dream of.  I'd take one law school exam a semester over that any day.

By the way, you mention in another thread the depression and substance abuse in our profession.  I actually think that is more a result of the fact that too many people jump right from college to law school without ever getting a job and seeing what else is out there.  Then they have this tough competitive atmosphere and tons of debt.  I've changed careers once now, so I know that getting into a bad career after college can feel like a trao, and having $152k in debt when you start your first real job makes that trap a reality.

I did the full case briefs, full outline method that is probably the most time consuming.  I read supplements at the end of the semester to clear up any dark spots and to add more subtle rules.  The supplements were just secondary though, I never used them to actually learn a topic from scratch.  I condensed this outline a few times into something workable in the test.  I read every case before the class in which it was discussed and had briefs for probably 90% of them.

I put in probably the most time i could (I work full time and go to school part time).  Thankfully, this worked very well for me or I would have been pretty despondent.  The one thing I did wait until the end of the semester to do was to outline.  I was concerned about it at the time, but looking back, it must have worked well for me.

Current Law Students / Re: Demand more tests! Demand teaching assistants!
« on: January 18, 2006, 10:08:30 AM »
I'm a patent agent working at a law firm prosecuting applications and working in an ongoing litigation.  I have drafted motions to compel during discovery and motions for summary judgment on some of the smaller defenses of the opposition.  I have argued before the patent office for quite some time and worked there as an examiner and worked with attorneys almost every day.

I have a slight idea of what the practice of law is about.  It is not worth anyone's time to ask for more exams or TA's.

Current Law Students / Re: Demand more tests! Demand teaching assistants!
« on: January 16, 2006, 09:47:39 AM »
I still disagree, especilly with this "casefile" method.  The best law student should be putting together the black letter law as well as an analytical picture of the flow of the cases throughout the semester.  I don't think it is the job of the law professor to handfeed this to us.  I certainly do not think that an effective law school class would require no studying for an exam.

I will concede this though, I do think a prof should supply some practice tests to us in our first semester just to give the idea of what the exam situation will feel like.

Current Law Students / Re: Demand more tests! Demand teaching assistants!
« on: January 15, 2006, 12:07:58 PM »
One exam is like real life.  You rarely have someone who will give you chance after chance to see if you're doing OK.  You don't get to send your appeal brief to the judge 3 times with larger and larger portions and with interim weighted decisions.  If you file a bad motion, you lose, no percentage weight is applied.

If there were 3 exams in a semester, I would spend most of the semester reviewing rather than forging ahead.  I'm a night student, the day students at my school get midterm in their first semester.  I would have hated to have to prepare for that while still trying to learn the law in somewhat of a continuous fashion.  I would actually advocate a single exam for 2 semester courses, without it, there is this false break in continuity that is not good for anyone.  The only bonus is knowing your grade and the fact is, the grade will probably be the same regardless of when the test is given.

Now the fact that one can get sick is valid, I would argue for more flexibility in rescheduling exams rather than more exams.

Current Law Students / Re: patent bar study aides
« on: January 08, 2006, 12:18:02 PM »
It's really a test no one should fail.  The old exams have several repeated questions and all the information is in the MPEP, you just have to know how t find it.  I worked as an examiner, so I had a big head start, the most useful studying I did was with old exams and some study materials.  I took a class and it was a waste, but it probably would not have been if I had not been an examiner. 

You'll know before you take the exam whether you are going to pass or not.  You should be in the 80s on the practice exams I believe.

Like Chemdr, I left knowing I had passed, there's not a big time constraint, so I had plenty of time to look up answers I didn't know outright.  I would guess I scored in the 90s and I think anyone can with sufficient preparation.

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