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News Discussion / Re: Anyone see this?
« on: April 09, 2006, 11:22:37 PM »
How does Bush misquoting him have anything to do with this?  I give Bush a lot of credit for having these meetings where he takes questions, also note how Bush quiets the jeers.  Regardless of that, of course his phone won't be tapped, that's a stupid thing to say.

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News Discussion / Re: ZACHARIAS MOUSSAOUI WILL BURN!!!!!
« on: April 09, 2006, 11:17:31 PM »
indemnification...satisfaction >:(

So revenge. If you meant revenge, why didn't you just say so in the first place instead of denying it? You people and your doubletalk make me ashamed for America.

Ashamed for America?  Wow, that's way overboard.  Is it that radical to say that Moussaoui deserves to die?

His doubletalk makes me ashamed, not his sentiment for Moussaoui. That's just misguided.

Also, it's outrageous to compare our execution of the "helpless" Moussaoui to what he and his buddies did on 9/11.  He's been proven to have done something criminal requiring punishment.  But please feel free to go around saying we shouldn't execute ZM.  It makes your side look even more ridiculous and out of the mainstream than usual.

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Why? I think it's obvious to any rational person that what those men did on 9/11 was unconscionably evil. However, they believed that what they did was right. Not only right, but something commendable by God. While our method of reaching conviction may differ, our result is the same. We're passing the most final kind of judgement on a helpless human being. Why not take the high road? I'm not saying we shouldn't deal with Moussaoui. He's already forfeited his right to live freely among us. That's why prison exists.

Well, if you don't think that a person can do something to forfeit their life, I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise, that's your opinion.  But I have to reiterate again that I don't see it as an issue of "taking the high road."  A system of the death penalty after a trial and conviction is inherently better than flying a plane into a building of people, even if you think the death penalty is wrong.

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News Discussion / Re: ZACHARIAS MOUSSAOUI WILL BURN!!!!!
« on: April 09, 2006, 08:00:39 PM »
indemnification...satisfaction >:(

So revenge. If you meant revenge, why didn't you just say so in the first place instead of denying it? You people and your doubletalk make me ashamed for America.

Ashamed for America?  Wow, that's way overboard.  Is it that radical to say that Moussaoui deserves to die?  Here's how I see it...we as a society have determined that when you are proved to have done certain things, you forfeit certain rights.  It can be liberty or life.  Certainly in the case of suicide attackers like Moussaoui it isn't a deterrant.  I think the death penalty can be a deterrant in a lot of cases.  But I also don't think it's relevant whether or not the death penalty is a deterrant because actions like Moussaoui's demand a reaction of his execution from society.  That's what retribution is if you look it up.  I see revenge as more punitive.

Also, it's outrageous to compare our execution of the "helpless" Moussaoui to what he and his buddies did on 9/11.  He's been proven to have done something criminal requiring punishment.  But please feel free to go around saying we shouldn't execute ZM.  It makes your side look even more ridiculous and out of the mainstream than usual.

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News Discussion / Re: ZACHARIAS MOUSSAOUI WILL BURN!!!!!
« on: April 07, 2006, 05:57:24 PM »
I don't really see it as an eye for an eye.  I certainly don't think the death penalty is appropriate for all cases of murder, and that's what you're presenting as my position.

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News Discussion / Re: ZACHARIAS MOUSSAOUI WILL BURN!!!!!
« on: April 07, 2006, 04:49:37 PM »
Fair enough.  But if one is for the death penalty, it doesn't really matter what he wants, because it's about justice and retribution for the victims, not what will be worst for Moussaoui.

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I'm concerned about the Cards bullpen, though Braden Looper is pitched two scoreless today at Wrigley, so thats good.


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News Discussion / Re: ZACHARIAS MOUSSAOUI WILL BURN!!!!!
« on: April 07, 2006, 04:22:52 PM »
I dont see it as lowering ourselves.  We already execute people for much lesser crimes than this.  If you're against the death penalty totally then I see that argument, but I think if anyone deserves to be executed it's Moussaoui and his ilk.

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News Discussion / Re: ZACHARIAS MOUSSAOUI WILL BURN!!!!!
« on: April 07, 2006, 01:43:32 PM »
Exactly, it's retribution  not revenge.  Certain actions require certain reactions, regardless of whether or not it makes us feel good or if its what he wants.

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News Discussion / Re: Mark Steyn is annoying!
« on: April 07, 2006, 01:41:10 PM »
Conservative.  Sort of like the Wall Street Journal i think.

EDIT:  Also could you give an example of something "racist" or "Nazi-esque" that Mark Steyn has said.  I personally like him and I'm trying to see where you're coming from with those charges.

EDIT AGAIN:  Yeah, that's what I thought.

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Who needs homers?  Double by Marquis plates Aaron Miles, and then 3 singles by Pujols, Edmonds and Rolen gives the Cards the lead and the inning's not over yet!

Cards - Yanks this year buddy, watch out!

It's possible, though I think both the Cards and Yanks could have some serious problems.


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