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Where should I go next fall? / Re: BU vs. USC vs. UMN
« on: April 15, 2007, 02:26:34 PM »

Really?! (addressed to all the bolded items) All of this sounds great and very reassuring! The bars and profs sound fun too. Of course, from what I've heard BU has some phenomenal professors. The most interesting thing to me was that BU no longer ranks; I read on another recent post of yours (because I wanted to see if you'd mentioned it anywhere else) that this is a recent change. Did they just start, or I should say stop, class ranking during the 2006-2007 year? And is this info (about no longer ranking the class and about only receiving a grade in two classes during first semester) anywhere on BUSL's website (because I don't remember seeing it but wish I had if it's on there somewhere)? Thanks for the valuable information!

they stopped ranking students in the 2005-2006 class (i.e. my one L class).  so when i came in 2005, we all thought we would be ranked, but then they sent out an e-mail telling us that the ranking thing is done.  so yes, it's very recent.  and the info is sort of on the website:  it's in the student handbook (probably in the "registrar" section).  as far as the class set up, i don't know if it's on the website...  nobody really talks about it as a big perk of BU, but to me it's HUGE. 

you'll see when you start that everyone first semester is lost and confused and stressed; everyone seems to forget that they only have two classes that count during the first semester learning curve.  so, e.g., a friend of mine did really bad first semester and he even had a C+ in one class.  but now he's doing great:  last semester he got an A+ in a class, that means out of 100 students he got the highest grade.  if he started at a school where first semester counts as much as the others, his GPA would be permanently screwed. 

more or less, same thing happened with me.  first semester my two grades were a B and a B-.  those are the two lowest grades i've had since being in law school.  but because first semester counts for so little, by GPA now is great. 

so i see it as a huge benefit that you can stress out first semester, but ultimately know that you have a buffer zone while you're learning the ropes...  maybe other schools do the same thing.  i have no idea...  maybe you should call the registrar's at your other potential schools and ask? 

moocow...thank you so much! i've been stressing over my decision to go to BU too. after reading what you said, and seeing how much someone who goes there actually likes it, i'm feeling a whole lot better! thank you so much!

i'm glad!  all of my friends really like it here!  let me know who your professors are when you find out, i'll give you the low down on them...

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U-Dub.  BU is overrated.  It does not place like a top 20 school.  Go visit BU and ask them what happens if they are out of the top 25% or so. 


ummmm, i go to BU now and i'm going to have to defend my school:

US NEWS rankings aside, BU is among the top 20 schools that the top 50 firms recruit from, and BU is #8 on princeton review's list for "best career prospects" (go look at some of the other schools on that list... we're in good company).  BU also has amazing faculty, a generous curve, and a first semester where only two classes count (i.e. lots of time to get your sh*t together during the learning curve).  also, BU just got rid of class ranks because the admin's felt that our alum's no longer need to be ranked to impress employers. 

i love BU and recommend it to anyone.  however, before deciding:  call the UW registrar and ask them (1)  what their curve is and (2) whether students are ranked.  if the curve is below a B and students are ranked, don't do it...  it'll lead to a stressful and unfulfilling law school experience.

I saw this post, and am considering BU, so I have to ask:  What two classes count for grades as part of your 1L year.  If you don't get grades, is it harder to get a job at a firm your 1L summer (recognizing that it's already very difficult).  And, if there is no class ranking, how do BU and law firms decide who to submit to interview/interview during OCI?

only two classes count first semester, 4 classes count second semester.  so for the year, you will have 6 grades.  here's how it works:  first semester you take four classes. two of them are one semester classes (torts and crim) and two of them are full year classes with a final grade at the end of the year (civ pro and contracts).  of the four classes you take first semester, you get two grades on your transcript. second semester, you get four grades: two of them are grades for your year-long classes and two of them are just the classes you take second semester (con law, and property).  you'll also have a legal writing class both semesters, but it's only one credit (so really, you get 8 grades by the end of the year). 

the way OCI works:  OCI is how you find your second year summer job. the application process starts during your first year summer.  whoever wants to, can submit their resume to firms (whether you have all D's or all A's, the school doesn't filter).  by your first summer you will know your grades for the year and you'll know whether you're on a journal.  firms know that the average grade here is a B+, so if your average is way below a B+ it'll be harder to get a great job, but if it's way above a B+ it'll be easier.  if your average is a B+ and you're on a journal you're all set to have a great job at a big firm (but not a top big firm). 

as far as your first year summer:  you will have mid term grades for two classes first semester, and you'll have actual grades for two classes.  i know a bunch of people who got big firm jobs their first summer--they all did really well first semester.  there are also lots of people who got smaller firm jobs their first summer--some did really well, some didn't.  so either way, you can get a firm job your first summer.  you just need to do things correctly (i.e. apply to ten million small firms during your second semester of first year.  one of them will hire you.).   

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: BU vs. USC vs. UMN
« on: April 14, 2007, 05:21:18 PM »
i'm a two L at BU and i think it's a really great school.  it's not competitive and students are really cool about sharing outlines and stuff.  someone commented about getting to the library first so pages aren't ripped out of books...  seriously, that's just silly.  everyone i've met here is really friendly, two Ls give one Ls old outlines and one Ls share that stuff with each other all the time.    also, the professors are awesome, students party hard and the alumni get drunk and yell funny things during legal follies (a hilarious yearly comedy show put on by law students).  also, first semester is set up so you only get grades in two classes, that way you have time to adjust to law school without stressing too much about how you do first semester (you'll still stress, don't get me wrong  :)  ).  also, students here aren't ranked, which makes everything much more chill...  basically, if you do well here then you have great access to top firms.  a ton of BU students are from cali, and all the ones i know are summering at top cali firms.  one of my buddy's is from tennessee, and he has a grea job at a top firm there.  this is not to mention your amazing opportunities in NY and Boston...  also, we have a little hole in the wall bar across the street called the dug out.  it's run by this really old guy whose been there for 100 years.  after each final exam your first year, the entire class runs to the dug out together...  by the time you're a two L, professors will take you out to drinks there.  to sum up, i love it here and i highly recommend BU to anyone...  good luck deciding.   

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U-Dub.  BU is overrated.  It does not place like a top 20 school.  Go visit BU and ask them what happens if they are out of the top 25% or so. 


ummmm, i go to BU now and i'm going to have to defend my school:

US NEWS rankings aside, BU is among the top 20 schools that the top 50 firms recruit from, and BU is #8 on princeton review's list for "best career prospects" (go look at some of the other schools on that list... we're in good company).  BU also has amazing faculty, a generous curve, and a first semester where only two classes count (i.e. lots of time to get your *&^% together during the learning curve).  also, BU just got rid of class ranks because the admin's felt that our alum's no longer need to be ranked to impress employers. 

i love BU and recommend it to anyone.  however, before deciding:  call the UW registrar and ask them (1)  what their curve is and (2) whether students are ranked.  if the curve is below a B and students are ranked, don't do it...  it'll lead to a stressful and unfulfilling law school experience.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / new rankings?
« on: November 03, 2005, 11:23:21 AM »
Does anyone know when the new law school rankings come out?  It looks like US News has put out the new undergrad rankings, but the law ones haven't changed.  Thanks!

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i have an interview coming up in one week- never had one before, no clue what to expect.  thanks!

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Who Puts up the worst posts?
« on: April 14, 2005, 01:55:17 AM »
I have a lot of respect for businesses that invest in one-holers. They're nice; you can relax, take care of your business, and do so without stress.

I must respectfully disagree with this assesment.  Don't get me wrong, in theory the one person bathroom is much nicer than the multi-stall.  But in practice the locks always break!  I have repeatedly observed the following phenomena: when one attempts to turn the handle from the outside it won't turn the first time, but it does unlock the door.  Thus, when the next person tries to open it they will walk in on your operation. 

Prior to using this style of bathroom I always test the lock.  If it works, then I'm doing my business in style.  But if the test fails, I am forced to undertake all sorts of schemes and startegies.  For instance, if the door opens in, I will place large objects in front of it.  If the door opens out, I will remove my belt and wrap it around the handle so as to pull the door closed in case of technical difficulties.  I feel very McGuiver-esque every time I undertake business in the single occupancy public restroom! 

The great benefit of the multi-stall is that the locks usually work!

That being said, can someone nominate me please???   

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javert,
you have some downright sexy acceptances.  where are you leaning towards??

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it's sunday night, which means this topic needed to be revived...

good luck everyone!   :) :) :)

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twarga, i advocate that you go back to the old quote you had under your avatar...  the first time i saw it i laughed out loud and everyone around me (in a quiet computer lab) thought i was nuts.


I've changed it so many times I don't remember... was it Pfeffer the Porno Cat? Or was it What's New Pussycat?

twarga, i was talking about the one that said something like, "i exploit my cat for personal gain."  but i totally approve of the current one as well!  (its changed since yesterday!)   ;D

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