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No, I didn't. I remember meeting a Matt, Rachel, Cheryl, Lulu and a Devrin. There were others but those are the names I remember.

I was surprised by GMU- I was hoping for a more energetic group. They seemed to like Mason, but not as enthusiastically as people at other schools do.

I got the same impression but I was only there for a class. Didn't even get a tour. Did you go to admit day?

The Alabama is partially owned by Cardozo. They bought as many spaces as possible but some residents are still there who are older couples. The school hopes to buy out the whole building soon. It is on 11th Avenue. I am not sure the exact address.

Well, I am waiting for the shuttle to take me to the airport but I thought I'd drop in and make some notes on how the Cardozo Admit Weekend went.

First, I have to say, Cardozo REALLY knows how to hook in the students. I mean, who doesn't love catered breakfast/lunch and free legal pads and pens? ;) Plus a free walking tour of Greenwich Village (which were KILLER on my feet). All this on top of the $400 reimbursement for travel expenses! Definitely felt the atmosphere was to truly court the accepted students which happens at the other schools I've seen, but more extreme here. I liked it because although they really pimped out the event, they also used the event to truly show the school to us.

Top thing I loved was the access to the other prospective students in my same situation. 1/2 those there were from California which was really surprising to me since California isn't known to be a feeder state for Cardozo, but maybe that was why there were so many. The students came from so many different educational and work and interest backgrounds but a lot of us had the same concerns because we had to move so far to come to school here and most of us were not used to the NY lifestyle. They really tried to pair us up with student hosts that were from our area, either by location or interest. I really liked the personalized feel of it despite there being 70+ students there.

Second thing I loved was the access to the faculty. First off, I really liked the property mock class. The professor didn't try to make it easy on us (except he did take volunteers instead of socratic method), but he really critiqued every response and definitely made me think. I came in there thinking one thing about the material and came out of it seeing a whole new light. Lets just say exemptions aren't very easy to read the first time :)

Besides the cool property professor, I also got to meet Professor Hughes who does the IP courses. He is GREAT! So blunt and honest, had a few "honest" things to say about my other schools, but I found him very humorous and knowledgeable. His thoughts on the whole laptop in-class issue (Cardozo has no wireless in class, btw) was pretty funny. He proposed a NO-computer experiment which I thought was quite daring and probably would only be realized in theory ;)

A visiting professor, Nimmer, was also extremely knowledgeable. He also teaches at UCLA so he had nothing but good things to say about both schools. He was also very "honest" to me about one of my schools and I liked that. Neither of these professors were patent type professors so that was different. I probably won't do a science anyway.

The school truly feels like an up and coming school. Keep in mind it is still competing with Columbia, NYU and Fordham and arguably Brooklyn but the school faculty makes no false claims that it is above those schools at this point. They really listen to their students. Their curriculum is constantly changing based on student demand and they really work with student organizations to "make things happen". One of the student hosts told us about his human rights panel that he simply asked the school if he could have one and they made it into a big event. I thought that was really impressive considering he was only there for a few months before they did it (he is a 1L). Also, just looking at the places where the recent graduates have gone to work is really impressive. The career services guy explained that most firms who do OCI go to top 10-15%, which I think is reasonable considering the young age of the school. However, there are several programs besides OCI that help.

The one I thought was interesting was their clinics. You get to work with clients and maybe even go to court through these clinics. If I remember correctly, they have a tax clinic and mediation and I can't really remember what else, sorry. I know they don't have an Entertainment IP clinic but there are externships and other things to do for those following that path. A lot of the students there were into public interest which surprises me considering the high cost of the school and the fact that their LRAP program is still pretty new and doesn't really help out ALL that much.

Another program that sounded pretty cool was the ITAP (is that right?) program. It is this intensive program that happens in January where students go in and pretty much learn what it is like to be a litigator. They get critiqued DAILY and have to give opening statements twice the first day and it only builds momentum up to the last day where they have to do the whole case from opening to closing. I thought that was very nice and gives an opportunity for practical skills. They say about 100 students participated last year in this program and it is definitely a self-awareness tool.

Okay, some logistics. Cardozo is on the corner of 5th and 12th (I think) and the school occupies half of a building with I don't know how many stories, but Cardozo takes up 11 of them. The whole building it owned by Yeshiva University though. The first floor has the moot court room and the lobby, the 2nd floor is mostly classes, the 3rd floor is almost entirely made up of a student lounge area/locker section along with some lecture halls, I THINK 4, 5 and 6 is the library and then offices and more classes above. It is VERY new looking and definitely the cleanest and most open, air conditioned rooms I've seen so far.

Most people use the elevator and that is almost the only answer you'll get when you ask someone at Cardozo, "Tell me what you like the least about the school". There are only 3 elevators and it is supposedly really hectic and crowded. There was an interesting discussion on the rolly-luggage people vs. the non-rolly luggage people. A little resentment I think of the rolly-luggages taking a space on the elevator, haha.

There is an apartment building a block away from Cardozo and it is $1150 to share a bedroom or $1650 for a studio. It is called the Alabama and most of the apartments are owned by Cardozo but some are still occupied by the original renters. I didn't get a chance to visit but you can't beat that price for the location. However, most students live in Brooklyn and take the train or walk to school from there. It is supposed to be more convenient than actually living in the city.

There is more information but I'm tired and I am starting to lose memory cells :) I am also running out of internet time, but I just wanted to leave a quick note on what I liked. I will have more in depth discussion later. I am sure other admits weekend visitors will also chime in.


I won't be able to make it down there until Tuesday because of the admit day at Cardozo on Sunday and Monday. I didn't get any money but I would ask Ann Richard on the GMU board. She is really responsive.


Okay, just got back from USD after a 1 and a half hour drive and I'm pretty tired so I preface this with a disclaimer: I reserve the right to correct anything I say in this thread on account of my exhaustion :)

First off, the "traffic" there in the morning was almost non-existent as soon as you pass UCSD (which is probably where you would live if you go to USD). I got there and parked on the top level of the structure. Our tour guides implied that the structure would be the farthest we'd have to park and I almost died with joy. At UCI, I'd sometimes have to park clear across campus in the mornings. This structure was like a city block away from the law school building.

I headed to the registration area and I was the first person there at 8:20 so that was weird. I felt like a nerd but whatever :) I met a bunch of students and we talked about other schools we were considering. I felt slightly inferior to those considering the UC's, Notre Dame, Georgetown and such, but these people definitely considered location and their future after law school above any ranking/prestige factor which I liked. There was a brief intro to what we would do for the day and some of the typical propoganda for USD. Nothing new there.

There was a career services person who came to speak. Said that they mostly get California/west coast people at the OCI because the students tend to want to stay in the area to work after law school. They will help you if you want to work elsewhere but you have to seek them out for those opportunities. Said they have lots of internships and encourage students to work at a lot of places before they graduate to find their niche. She also mentioned that the salary range of the last graduating class was 38,500 - 145,000. The lowest being someone doing public interest for mental health and the high end being an engineer doing IP.

Then we were led across campus to the law building in the Courtroom for a small intro to the study of law class. It was pretty good. I found the professor (Graham Strong) to be engaging and definitely sounded like he had a true passion for law. He got a good discussion going for such a short amount of time, leading us from the basics of studying law to the discussion of a case he had given to us and then giving us a hypothetical to apply the rule of the first case to. I definitely felt like my peers there were a good group of intelligent, critical thinkers.

After that we went on a campus tour. It was a ton of walking as we took the stairs everywhere we went, but it was very informative. They took us through the whole law building (3 floors) and showed us all the typical offices: financial aid, registrar, career services, moot court, legal writing and study abroad program. Lots of pimping of the quality of the faculty throughout the tour. Apparently they have a good Tax Law program there with a LLM Program that you can complete in one semester after you get your JD if that's your thing. They also encourage the study abroad program because it is generally a GPA booster and the USD professors actually go with the students and lecture there (Russia, Florence, Paris, etc.).

The library is deadly quiet as one of our student tour leaders described it. It was 3 floors too (I think) with a computer lab and plenty of desks and study areas. I found it interesting that they offered free outlines that you can check out and tons of flash cards too. Work study students usually work in the library if you choose to do work study.

The moot court team is really successful apparently and the student body seems to be really involved and supportive of that program. Their mock trial team is also supposed to be good and our leaders encouraged everyone to at least try out. They also pointed out the cafeteria and stuff, all typical law school things. There was construction going on for a new plaza area for the students with a new fountain which should be nice. They mentioned that there is a mass at noon each day but that the law school isn't affiliated with the church and that they don't feel at all pressured by the religious atmosphere.

What else? I think that was it for the tour. Then we went to a mock trial demonstration. It was pretty straightforward. Just a case of a drunk guy who either had a self-inflicted injury caused while he was intoxicated or he was beat up by some bouncers at a bar. I thought some of the members of the team were really good but some were pretty dull too. Still, it seems like it would be fun to join.

Then we had lunch where at my table there was a 1L. She was pretty interesting and very supportive of the school and really encouraged us to consider it. She emphasized the great faculty and the awesome opportunities for networking through the professors and getting recommendations. She also sounded excited to be going abroad for the summer and said that she had two offers for employment but turned it down to go to Florence. She said that most people who worked during their 1L worked in Los Angeles; I wasn't clear on why though. She recommended living in Mission Valley since the drive was about 10 minutes WITH traffic and it was nicer than the nearest area (Linda Vista) and better maintained with more to do.

Also, she mentioned the grade system change. Now it is on a 4.0 scale with avg set at a 3.0 (used to be 2.0). That is a definite improvement in my opinion! I went to an alumni event and apparently your first semester grades only count 30% so you can catch up second semester if you weren't as high as you hoped.

After lunch, we got our financial award letters (woohoo!) and they went over the typical financial aid information regarding federal and private loans and cost of attendance, etc. If there's anything I missed which I probably did, please let me know.

My overall impression was that this would be a laid-back place to go to school for the next 3 years and a very good place to go if I decided to work in San Diego. Most of the students who worked in the area agreed that USD alumni owned San Diego and if you wanted to work in San Diego you'd have a lot of opportunities.

Yeah, I agree. I didn't really research Pitt very much but their 75th is higher than most if not all of the T14.

Private sector (25th-75th percentile): $70,000 - $140,000
Median in the private sector: $105,000
Percent in the private sector who reported salary information: 57%
Median in public service: $39,000

I included public since you said earlier you might go into that :)

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Where should I go?
« on: April 02, 2005, 11:46:54 AM »
However, the OP irks me cause she knew she wanted to practice in CA, and will probably end up doing so.  So why apply to sh*t schools out of state?  But anyways, that's my take on the situation.

See above postings.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Where should I go?
« on: April 02, 2005, 11:45:34 AM »
SGY - I also have to add that I completely agree with you that many Americans are ignorant of the suffering in foreign countries.

My few firsthand experiences include visits to Vietnam and Mexico, but even they have some freedoms that other countries do not. There is so much suffering and it is hard to live your life day to day when every burger you spent 5 extra dollars on because you had to eat lunch with your co-workers at a nice restaurant or every $11 plate of pasta you consume could have been a meal cooked at home for much less could have been money better spent saving one child from hunger or disease. I have seen what a small contribution can do to change a person's life from organizations such as The Smile Train and the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation. It does take so little to help change a person's whole life.

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