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Well, I am waiting for the shuttle to take me to the airport but I thought I'd drop in and make some notes on how the Cardozo Admit Weekend went.

First, I have to say, Cardozo REALLY knows how to hook in the students. I mean, who doesn't love catered breakfast/lunch and free legal pads and pens? ;) Plus a free walking tour of Greenwich Village (which were KILLER on my feet). All this on top of the $400 reimbursement for travel expenses! Definitely felt the atmosphere was to truly court the accepted students which happens at the other schools I've seen, but more extreme here. I liked it because although they really pimped out the event, they also used the event to truly show the school to us.

Top thing I loved was the access to the other prospective students in my same situation. 1/2 those there were from California which was really surprising to me since California isn't known to be a feeder state for Cardozo, but maybe that was why there were so many. The students came from so many different educational and work and interest backgrounds but a lot of us had the same concerns because we had to move so far to come to school here and most of us were not used to the NY lifestyle. They really tried to pair us up with student hosts that were from our area, either by location or interest. I really liked the personalized feel of it despite there being 70+ students there.

Second thing I loved was the access to the faculty. First off, I really liked the property mock class. The professor didn't try to make it easy on us (except he did take volunteers instead of socratic method), but he really critiqued every response and definitely made me think. I came in there thinking one thing about the material and came out of it seeing a whole new light. Lets just say exemptions aren't very easy to read the first time :)

Besides the cool property professor, I also got to meet Professor Hughes who does the IP courses. He is GREAT! So blunt and honest, had a few "honest" things to say about my other schools, but I found him very humorous and knowledgeable. His thoughts on the whole laptop in-class issue (Cardozo has no wireless in class, btw) was pretty funny. He proposed a NO-computer experiment which I thought was quite daring and probably would only be realized in theory ;)

A visiting professor, Nimmer, was also extremely knowledgeable. He also teaches at UCLA so he had nothing but good things to say about both schools. He was also very "honest" to me about one of my schools and I liked that. Neither of these professors were patent type professors so that was different. I probably won't do a science anyway.

The school truly feels like an up and coming school. Keep in mind it is still competing with Columbia, NYU and Fordham and arguably Brooklyn but the school faculty makes no false claims that it is above those schools at this point. They really listen to their students. Their curriculum is constantly changing based on student demand and they really work with student organizations to "make things happen". One of the student hosts told us about his human rights panel that he simply asked the school if he could have one and they made it into a big event. I thought that was really impressive considering he was only there for a few months before they did it (he is a 1L). Also, just looking at the places where the recent graduates have gone to work is really impressive. The career services guy explained that most firms who do OCI go to top 10-15%, which I think is reasonable considering the young age of the school. However, there are several programs besides OCI that help.

The one I thought was interesting was their clinics. You get to work with clients and maybe even go to court through these clinics. If I remember correctly, they have a tax clinic and mediation and I can't really remember what else, sorry. I know they don't have an Entertainment IP clinic but there are externships and other things to do for those following that path. A lot of the students there were into public interest which surprises me considering the high cost of the school and the fact that their LRAP program is still pretty new and doesn't really help out ALL that much.

Another program that sounded pretty cool was the ITAP (is that right?) program. It is this intensive program that happens in January where students go in and pretty much learn what it is like to be a litigator. They get critiqued DAILY and have to give opening statements twice the first day and it only builds momentum up to the last day where they have to do the whole case from opening to closing. I thought that was very nice and gives an opportunity for practical skills. They say about 100 students participated last year in this program and it is definitely a self-awareness tool.

Okay, some logistics. Cardozo is on the corner of 5th and 12th (I think) and the school occupies half of a building with I don't know how many stories, but Cardozo takes up 11 of them. The whole building it owned by Yeshiva University though. The first floor has the moot court room and the lobby, the 2nd floor is mostly classes, the 3rd floor is almost entirely made up of a student lounge area/locker section along with some lecture halls, I THINK 4, 5 and 6 is the library and then offices and more classes above. It is VERY new looking and definitely the cleanest and most open, air conditioned rooms I've seen so far.

Most people use the elevator and that is almost the only answer you'll get when you ask someone at Cardozo, "Tell me what you like the least about the school". There are only 3 elevators and it is supposedly really hectic and crowded. There was an interesting discussion on the rolly-luggage people vs. the non-rolly luggage people. A little resentment I think of the rolly-luggages taking a space on the elevator, haha.

There is an apartment building a block away from Cardozo and it is $1150 to share a bedroom or $1650 for a studio. It is called the Alabama and most of the apartments are owned by Cardozo but some are still occupied by the original renters. I didn't get a chance to visit but you can't beat that price for the location. However, most students live in Brooklyn and take the train or walk to school from there. It is supposed to be more convenient than actually living in the city.

There is more information but I'm tired and I am starting to lose memory cells :) I am also running out of internet time, but I just wanted to leave a quick note on what I liked. I will have more in depth discussion later. I am sure other admits weekend visitors will also chime in.


Choosing the Right Law School / Where should I go?
« on: April 01, 2005, 06:30:23 PM »
Well, since my first thread on LSD was "Where Should I Apply?" I thought it'd be appropriate to make a thread about where I should go. You can see all the schools I've been accepted to below. Here are the details about me:

1) I am a California girl. I would like to practice IN California after law school, preferably in Southern California. If I can transfer laterally eventually, that's fine too, but I prefer not to go through that process.

2) Being able to get a job easily is 2nd to Location on my priority list. I need a school that has a good OCI program and an involved career services department.

3) Third on my list is getting a high paying job. I don't plan on having a family any time soon so I am willing to put in the hours for a higher paying job. I know this is kind of superficial for someone who doesn't have a family to take care of, but it is important to me.

4) I have an interest in IP, Real Estate and Entertainment Law. I am not sure which yet until I start taking classes so I'd prefer a school with a broad curriculum that can take care of my wide array of interests and my own uncertainty.

5) The cost of the school isn't THAT big of a priority for me since my parents will cover the bill until I can pay it back so I won't be in debt in the traditional sense since they aren't going to charge me interest. However, I would like to minimize the money they have to put out for me to go to law school.

6) I am not big on a cutthroat competitive environment. I like being challenged by my peers but not to the point where I am miserable.

I have a sense of where I want to go, but any insight would be helpful. Thanks in advance :)


Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / In @ Santa Clara
« on: April 01, 2005, 01:37:05 PM »
Just got the letter today. My mom called me to let me know so I don't know what's in it yet. My numbers are to the left and my lsn page has all the relevant info. I am very happy because I credit Santa Clara as the reason I studied so hard for the LSAT's. Saddened by their drop in the rankings but I am still seriously considering the school.


Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / In @ UIUC w/ $$!
« on: March 17, 2005, 09:51:41 AM »
I got an e-mail from UIUC about a Class of 2008/Alumni event in L.A. next week. Does this mean I'm in? I just barely sent in my app last month. They never sent me a complete notice. Is this just a generic mailing to all pended apps?

ETA: Woohoo! Just got the call two seconds ago from the admissions office. I was so flustered and I totally was rude to the lady, I feel so bad. Stuck at work so I had to keep the conversation short. But they offered me 10K/year. I am so excited! OMG, what will I do now?!


Here is a link to a table listing the method that various law schools have used to notify acceptances this cycle. Please feel free to respond so I can add to the table.


This table will not be updated unless someone else wants to volunteer to update it (PM me!).


Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / In @ Cardozo! First acceptance!
« on: January 23, 2005, 12:47:21 PM »
I just got the call at noon as I was driving my sister to school and I freaked out. He was glad I was so excited but I am sure he thinks I'm nuts now! They said I would get an acceptance letter soon and call him if I needed anything. Very brief conversation.

All my information is to the left and LSN has all the detailed info about my application (link in my signature). I never got any notice that I was complete. Let me know if any more info is needed!

Oh my gosh, I'm so psyched! I'm going to LAW SCHOOL!!!


P.S. I don't really want to leave California but if this is the best I get, I am not complaining since it was one of my top choices.


I just checked to see which schools have requested my reports today and I noticed that Michigan did but under term/year it says Summer/2005, but I applied Fall/2005. What do you think that means?


Law School Admissions / Withdrawing Apps
« on: December 27, 2004, 10:00:43 AM »
I applied to a bunch of safeties but since I got my new LSAT score, I feel fairly confident that I can aim higher. Should I withdraw the apps to most of them so that my spot can be given to someone else? If so, how do I go about doing this? E-mail? Letter? Thanks for the help!


Law School Admissions / Where should I apply?
« on: December 09, 2004, 05:22:45 PM »
Hi everyone,

This board is full of many people much more informed than I am about law schools and who they admit. I have a really low GPA and a semi-decent LSAT score. Am I aiming too high with my list? I have a 2.9 GPA with a B.S. in Information & Computer Science and I got a 164 on my Oct. LSAT (took the December one too but let's just assume I don't improve). Here is my list of schools:

Reach for the sky:
UC Davis
UC Hastings

Reach for the skyscraper:
Loyola Marymount

Santa Clara
Univ. of San Diego
Case Western


I am mainly looking at a good IP program, but I don't even know if I will get into any of those :( Is it hopeless? Are there any schools you recommend I apply to? If I don't get into a top 100 school, I'd like to stay in California.


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