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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Tier 3 and 4 Aceptances and Rejections
« on: December 20, 2005, 12:54:24 AM »
Congrats Dante!!

Thanks...I am pretty pumped about really made this Christmas season brighter.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Tier 3 and 4 Aceptances and Rejections
« on: December 19, 2005, 06:51:16 PM »
Way to go on OKC. Glad that acceptance settled things with Beatrice. I've heard good things about OkCU's reputation in Oklahoma.

Yeah, OCU seems to have a decent rep in OK.  To top things off, I go in a couple of weeks to speak to a firm in the town that I am moving about some part-time work during LS that might work into an associate position later on.  Things are looking up.  I have been thinking about doing this for over a decade, now that it is finally happening it is amazing.

I am going to be right between Tulsa and Oklahoma City.  So, I will either have a 45 minute drive to Tulsa (waiting to hear about acceptance) or an hour drive to Oklahoma City (accepted at OCU today).  Doesn't sound like much fun, but my wife found a job that will mean about $40,000 / yr more for us to live there.  Hard to argue about the commute considering...

Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists / Re: Who's still in at NOWHERE??!!
« on: December 19, 2005, 02:33:12 PM »
ahhh the days of legalkitty, lane and yanky

Yeah, sure miss Lane's post.  You could always count on his post to lighten the mood and make you laugh.  Hope Ava Maria is treating him well. 

Some one pass me a chalupa and a shot of Bobs  :D

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Tier 3 and 4 Aceptances and Rejections
« on: December 19, 2005, 02:29:25 PM »
Letter today, I am in at Oklahoma City University full time day program.  No mention of $$$.  But it is one of the two schools I have been really hoping, for family and spouse issues, would come through. 

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Tier 3 and 4 Aceptances and Rejections
« on: December 19, 2005, 02:23:50 PM »
First acceptance today - University of San Francisco.  Big yellow envelope.  It may be third tier, but it's in San Francisco!  I'm happy.
Congrats!  The first one is always the best, enjoy and celebrate for all of us.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Tier 3 and 4 Aceptances and Rejections
« on: December 19, 2005, 02:21:25 PM »
My mom called me and said that I was dinged at University of Toledo, they sent it through snail mail to my permanent address...

2 in one day you think they could all talk it over and spread them out abit.  I'm just glad neither of these are anywhere near my top choices.  Good luck everybody

Sorry to hear that Corbabe, I am sure some of your other choices are going to come through and might even be on the way.  Have I asked if you considered Oklahoma City University?  I think you might have a good shot there, JSIA

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Tier 3 and 4 Aceptances and Rejections
« on: December 15, 2005, 08:07:58 PM »
SWM- I actually think the DUIís helped me not hurt me, since there were 10 years ago. I wrote an addendum, took full responsibility for my stupidity, and then discussed how that was a turning point in my life and all that stuff. As a side note, the Judge who handles all the ethics cases for lawyers getting disbarred here spoke at my orientation. He is also past president of the ethics committee. He was nice enough to meet with me a few weeks ago for lunch and talk about how my DUIís might affect my bar admission. The short of it is, it wonít. Keep my nose clean, donít dink/drive anymore, and it should not be a problem, FYI.

Arhodg- if you start to get a rash of rejections for your reaches, you can always contact a school and ask to be considered for their PT program as well, or just have them move your app to PT exclusively (Personally I think apply to either/or is not as good an option as just PT, as they may hold you app trying to see how both classes fill out, then not have anyplace for you).

By the way, my experience last year was the same as the year before; I really did not start to hear ANYTHING from most of my schools until late March, April and into May. And all of my apps where complete by Thanksgiving both years.

Anyway, I just finished my last exam, Contracts, so the first semester of the JD program is over for me. If anybody has any questions about law school in general, shoot away and Iíll try to answer them if I can.

So is law school what you thought it was going to be?  How is the workload?  Are you still glad that you are doing it?

Law school is both easier and harder than I expected. Itís easier in that the law is really not all that complicated its pretty common sense stuff. Granted, there are demanding rules out there, UCC 2-207 comes to mind, as does perpetuities and NEPA issues, but they are few and far between, for the most part the law part is pretty simple. The harder part is adjusting to teaching it to yourself. They donít teach you the law in law school, you need to learn to do that for yourself, and quickly. The professor is not going to stand up there and say this is the rule, here is how it works, here is why itís important, thatís not going to happen. By the way, neither are your text books, they donít really teach you anything, you need to adjust to learning things in context, pulling a general meaning out of a specific case, and being able to apply it to a completely different fact pattern that seems like its in no way related what you learned. There is a huge learning curve, in just learning how to learn the law. Itís hard to explain, but somewhere during your first semester it just ďclicksĒ and you get it. Hopefully before exam week. :)

Youíre also surrounded by very smart, dedicated people. There are few slackers, your taking classes with people, like you, who are used to getting the top grades. That makes doing well, really well, really difficult. To achieve top grades LS really needs to be your life. In two years I have not seen a movie, taken a vacation or had more than a weekend off, and Iím part-time and not working. To be honest I should have worked HARDER than I did, I have a feeling, after exams, that at BEST Iím going to end up with straight B+ís this semester.

The workload is intense, but not all consuming. Plan to read 15-50 pages per class per day you have class. Then plan to brief 1-3 cases out of that reading. Staying up on your outlines and doing outside reading so you really get this stuff adds about 8-12 hours a week. Your LP class will be a HUGE time sink for few credits, but is important stuff. Youíll end up spending too much time on stuff that does not matter in the end, and too little on what really does, until, someday (again hopefully before exam week) you realize that all along you should have been working for the end, the exam, and not doing so much busy work preparing for class so you donít look stupid when that really does not matter for squat. ALL THAT MATTERS IS THE EXAM! Scream that out loud 50 times, I wish I had kept that in my mind more than I did.  At first it will seem a bit overwhelming, but you get better with experience and time, and you learn what shortcuts you can take. Because Iím dyslexic I read and write slower than most, so it takes me longer. To meet the curve, at my school a B/B-, itís doable and you can still have a normal life. To end up top 5-10% or so takes a Herculean effort, or just being really frikin smart, which Iím not.

Would I do it all over again? Ask me after grades are posted :). You do really need to WANT to do this to stay motivated in the face of the work load and self induced stress. My last exam was yesterday, and today I got up at 7AM like I usually do, but I have nothing to do! I feel like I should be studying, something, anything, but there is nothing to do. LS becomes, if you let it, all consuming, and when its over, itís like a drug, you want more.

I do envy my friend who went to Pharmacy school, not near the work load, they donít try to fail you out, and heís picking between 10 offers, with starting bonuses of $10-50k, a six figure salary and a 40 hour a week job. Plus all the drugs you want! :) But then I sucked at math and science, so all thatís left is law school for me.

180 information...thanks.  I have been accepted to a few full time programs already, but my wife and I are moving (probably) to Oklahoma soon, so I am waiting to hear from two of the schools there.  I have been considering switching to PT though, in the attempts that I might get to see my family once in a while. 

Thanks again for the insight, and good luck with those grades.

Law School Admissions / Re: Holiday cards from schools
« on: December 15, 2005, 07:58:20 PM »
Hand written Christmas card from U of Detroit Mercy...

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Choosing the Laptop for Law School
« on: December 15, 2005, 07:50:49 PM »
Anyone thinking about getting a tablet pc? 

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